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Discussion Starter #121
...Sigh... :D

Wrote to Honda - got the Certificate 15 January

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Back then (seems like a million years ago), there was no charge for the CoC
and apparently that's still the case

Sent the CoC to TfL - got confirmation from TfL 12 February

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All the required information is on the CoC - nothing else is needed or necessary
If your "application is incomplete" the problem's at their end - call and find out...
 

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Hi Could someone please assist I'm going round in circles with TFL i Have sent off my cert of comformity and log book. But they refuse that my 2007 black bird meets the standard. they say that the bike must meet euro 3 and my is euro 2
 

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Discussion Starter #123 (Edited)
Here is the official site of London’s ULEZ vehicle checker, for those who might wish to confirm the current status of their bike.

A guy on another ‘Bird site said he e-mailed Honda with his VIN and copy of V5 and they sent him the Certificate of Conformity. I’m looking forward, hopefully, for the same response.

Meanwhile, if they change the compliance rules to exclude all except Euro3 certificated vehicles the Blackbird won't comply, as the bike’s hydrocarbon emissions are more than double the Euro3 level.
Sounds like they've changed the rules.... I've re-checked mine and it still shows as exempt.

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EDIT: I’ve just looked at the ULEZ Standards - and I’m pretty sure they’ve changed the requirement for bikes to include
Euro 3. Otherwise, why would they have issued exemptions and, more importantly, do those exemptions still apply?
 

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Discussion Starter #125 (Edited)
Battle is ongoing with TFL found this on thier web site stating all the bike has to do is comply with euro 3 Nox levels. hopefully they will accept this!
As previously stated:

Meanwhile, if they change the compliance rules to exclude all except Euro3 certificated vehicles the Blackbird won't comply, as the bike’s hydrocarbon emissions are more than double the Euro 3 level.

I’ve looked at the ULEZ Standards - and they’ve changed the requirement for bikes to include Euro 3.

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Evidently, while the Blackbird’s emissions were designed to meet Euro
Level 2 limits, it also meets the Euro Level 3 NOx limits as required by TfL.

I’m not sure about the HC limit, though. It’s high on the ‘Bird, but that might be because the
Euro Level 3 test eliminates the engine warm-up period (Source: The Automobile Association).


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On 9th May 2019, after sending in my CoC, I received a letter stating that I will not be charged for riding in the ULEZ.

The vehicle checker contradicts this and states that I am subject to the ULEZ and will have to pay.

I clicked for more details and found this:



Which states that all vehicles need to meet Euro 3 emissions standards for NOx.

My Blackbird does meet the Euro 3 standards for NOx and I have a CoC to prove this and a letter from TfL stating it is exempt.

I wonder if the vehicle checker is not linked to the database that I assume is connected to the numberplate recognition cameras?

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Make sure that you're using the official TfL website facility.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle-35896

There are lots of old and outdated links out there.

Below are the NOx figures on my CoC and, below that, the NOx limits.

If yours are different to mine, then good luck to you.

My bike is currently shown as "compliant" (no ULEZ fee applicable)
on the TfL website, as illustrated earlier.

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Make sure that you're using the official TfL website facility.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle-35896

There are lots of old and outdated links out there.

Below are the NOx figures on my CoC and, below that, the NOx limits.

If yours are different to mine, then good luck to you.

My bike is currently shown as "compliant" (no ULEZ fee applicable)
on the TfL website, as illustrated earlier.

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This is VERY important - follow this link as mine shows subject to charge on the ULez checker via Google links -

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ulez-vrm-checker

WTF?????
 

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Hi guys love the info in this post but wondered if i could clear a few things up as im a little confused.
I have a 1999 FI so Honda wont give me a CoC correct??
I can go for a
ULEZ test but I would need to fit exhausts from a 2001 onwards Bird to pass??

thanks for any help clearing my confusion lol I don't go into London loads but if the next phase is to the North circular it would mean changing bikes
Also I have filled out the Honda request form just to see what the response is
cheers
 

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Just thought I’d share hondas email its been a few weeks for a reply so already knew the outcome but thought it was a well worded and helpful reply

Thank you for contacting Honda UK.

We would like to inform you that due to the age of the bike in question, we would not be in a position to issue a Certificate of Conformity as it was manufactured before 2001, when the Conformity certification was officially introduced, and as such would not have CoC details associated with it. With this in mind, in case you need this certificate in regards to registering the bike in another country, we can provide a year Of Manufacture (YoM) dating certificate that will serve the purpose of an official document from the manufacturer in regards to registering the product in a country outside of the UK.

In order to obtain Year of Manufacture details for your motorcycle, you will need to apply in writing to the following address:

Motorcycle Operations
Year of Manufacture
Honda (UK)
Cain Road
Bracknell
Berkshire
RG12 1HL

When requesting this document, please provide the following information:

• Model type
• VIN
• Engine number
• Your postal details
• Your contact details – telephone number and email

There is an administration fee of £30 (£25 + VAT) which can be paid by cheque or postal order made payable to Honda (UK).

Please note that this can take up to 6 weeks if the information needs to be sourced from Japan.

If it is in relation to getting confirmation of negative emission values in regards to the ULEZ that was introduced in central London, we would not be in a position to provide the values as they only started to be measured after the Conformity certification was introduced, hence why we would not have this information available to provide. In case you would still like to have these measured, we would advise getting in touch with the DVLA so they can suggest an institution that can carry out type approval procedures. That would involve testing the bike with specialised measuring equipment so they can calculate the exact negative emission values for you. Once they have had the chance to do that, they would then be in a position to issue an official document stating the exact figures that they have recorded that you can provide to TFL as proof, in case they are below the 0.15 g/km NOx limit that TFL have set. I hope this helps.

Thank you for contacting Honda UK. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
Kind Regards,
Denitsa Hristova

Honda Customer Service
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