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News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG)
MAG slams TfL’s ‘guilty until proven innocent’ approach to ULEZ.
This version: 2019-04-12

MAG’s Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement, Colin Brown, has
expressed outrage that motorcyclists in London are being treated as
guilty until proven innocent by Transport for London (TfL) and London’s
Mayor, Sadiq Khan.

Colin said “In the midst of press hype around the launch of Sadiq Khan’s
ULEZ policy, MAG received a quiet email from TfL along with their
official press release, stating that ‘the website information for
powered two wheelers is also up-to-date’. Whilst we are happy to see
those details - covering the routes for individual exemptions by
Certificate of Conformity (CoC) and individual testing - once again we
see that TfL is happy to treat bikers as guilty until they jump through
hoops and suffer financial burden to prove their innocence.

TfL’s formal press release to the world makes no mention of the hard-won
concessions that they have been forced to make. Bear in mind that these
concessions show that TfL accept that they are unnecessarily charging
many bikers in the first place. I am even more disgusted by the fact
that they refuse to publicly announce that they have no intention of
reimbursing bikers for the expensive emissions test that can be
conducted at a single test station that was not open for business until
one day before the ULEZ implementation date, and they also will not
reimburse any ULEZ payments made before any individual exemption is
agreed. They are therefore blatantly refusing to repay monies that they
accept were never due, and are deliberately hiding the possibility of
individuals proving their innocence.”

TfL’s updated details on motorcycles state:

“Check your vehicle to see if it meets the standards. If the checker
says your vehicle is subject to ULEZ but you think it does meet the
standards, follow the steps on the results page to send us proof.
Contact your vehicle's manufacturer if you're not sure about its
emissions - we will accept supporting evidence from them.

Motorbike emissions testing

We will also accept evidence from test facilities approved by us for
measuring NOx emissions. If successful, the test facility will contact
us with the results.
Test centres that believe they can offer motorcycle emissions testing to
the required standards should email their contact details to
[email protected].

Approved centres for motorcycle emissions testing

Riverbank Motorcycles Ltd
Unit 12, Riverbank Business Park
Dye House Lane, Bow
London E3 2TB”

The full details can be found at:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/motorcycles-mopeds-and-more

MAG wants to hear your stories of how you have been affected by ULEZ.
If you have incurred any financial burden (e.g. from selling a bike that
was later found to be compliant, receiving fines or making ULEZ payments
for a bike that was later proven to be compliant), please get in touch.

Contact MAG at 01926 844 064
 

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TLDR: So what do they do about foreign vehicles driving through there?
Technically, foreign visitors also have to pay, but I'm not sure if the systems are set up to read the different license plate formats. And then they would also have to be able to access the database in the country of origin to find out if the vehicle is subject to the charge.

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I'm still waiting (18 days so far) for TfL to supply a useful response. After sending them my V5C and CoC today for the third time!

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If you look through the thread you'll see that "waiting time" ranges from two days to four months(-ish).:hmm:

Hang on in there, baby! :D :thumb:
 

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If you look through the thread you'll see that "waiting time" ranges from two days to four months(-ish).:hmm:

Hang on in there, baby! :D :thumb:
Received my letter via email today (took 26 days). My bike is now exempt.

No apology for taking too long, no answer to my question of why they haven't updated the database to include all Honda Blackbirds.

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Received my letter via email today (took 26 days). My bike is now exempt.

No apology for taking too long...
"We are a responsible agency and we treat all enquiries very seriously..." = We responded to you — now, go away. :nono:

...no answer to my question of why they haven't updated the database to include all Honda Blackbirds.
Well — to be fair — not all Honda Blackbirds are in standard trim, are they? :huh:

No - I'm not defending them - I no longer expect them to share, either, my values or my intelligence, so...

...fookem...! :D
 

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At least now, thanks to this forum and the knowledgeable people on here, anyone who searches Google and sees this forum, knows how to apply for an exemption.

Wonder how many people are currently paying the ULEZ charge even though their bike is within the pollution limits.

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Even more correctly - a big "Thanks" to Krisbiker2, who was (I think) the first to highlight the ULEZ issue on this forum.

The first I knew of it was when surfing the "what have you done" thread, back in January.

Cheers, KB2. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
 

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Copied and pasted from another forum.

" Not strictly true. Riverbank will "fettle" your carbs to get it through if needed. I believe a 97 Fireblade recently passed with no fettling required, including a whole host of other 90's and 80's bikes. The test at £175 is ridiculous, but they are a good bunch of guys. Honda do not hold emissions records for any bikes pre-2001 so there is no choice but to have them tested."

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2019/march/ulez-test/
 

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I spoke to the test centre today to see if they've tested any carb birds yet. While they wouldn't be drawn to answer that directly they did give me insight into what they can do.

£175 for the test
£50 for a retest (ok that's news to me).

A simple carb tweak may nudge you into compliance (quoted a tick £90 for that).
Else two inline catalytic converters (£100 each) ought to fix any failures from what they've seen so far. Only one needed if you've got a four-into-one aftermarket set of pipes.

Other tip was not to run on a new air filter. They advise better to be running slightly rich than lean.

Hmmm risk £375-£515 to keep my beloved going or put the money into swapping to an FI bird.
 

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Sounds a costly load of crap. If you can, hold out incase mag get somewhere and situation changes?

Another thought- could you get 2 fi cat pipes and pass? Then take them off. Unfortunately I just got rid of mine last Dec, otherwise you could have borrowed. Could prob pick up 2 with road rash 4 peanuts, then remove and sell on. If it works, very shortly their value could soar
 

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Yer I'm trying to keep my eye out. Couldn't draw the test centre out on where they source their cats to buy and fit myself as a cheaper option than going through them!

Anyone know a Honda part number I can search on for the cats only. All my manuals/ parts pdfs are for carb birds.
 
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