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The adventure begins - HEL Stainless Steel Brake Line Kit

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Well.... it has started: my testing of the HEL Stainless Steel Brake Line kit for the Blackbird:

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As I've mentioned previously, I won't do a Group Buy on a product without personally checking it out to ensure it's worthwhile. The kit is comprised of 8 physical lines (HEL indicates the kit has 10 lines, but 2 of these lines have two "sections" separated by a fitting, so HEL is apparently counting those as 2 separate lines). Also in the kit are 13 stainless steel banjo bolts, and a fistful of copper washers. One of the banjo bolts is a double-banjo (for the top of the Rear Master Cylinder).

At first I was a bit concerned about the lack of any instructions, but after examining the HEL lines, it is pretty obvious which line goes where. I will be posting a grunch of close up photos as I go along so y'all should have zero problems installing this kit.

HEL goes about things a bit differently than Spiegler: on the Spiegler kit, every single OEM line is replaced with a Spiegler line. HEL has elected only to replace the actual rubber OEM lines, and leave the existing metal hard lines in place. This is actually making this install go a lot faster. I am about halfway done; I should be able to install the rest of the lines tonight.

The eight (8) HEL lines attach as follows (see above photo of lines to follow along):

(1) This is one of two "double-section" lines. It connects from: Left front caliper, lower banjo bolt -> middle Secondary Master Cylinder fitting -> forward cross-over hard line.

(2) Left front caliper, upper banjo -> left (rearmost) cross-over (hard line)

(3) Upper Secondary Master Cylinder -> left steering neck fitting (hard line)

(4) Upper Delay Valve banjo -> right steering neck fitting (hard line)

(5) Lower Delay Valve banjo -> Right front caliper, lower banjo

(6) This is the second "double-section" line. It connects from: Right front caliper, upper banjo -> Right rearmost cross-over (hard line) -> Front Master Cylinder (where your brake lever resides)

(7) Rear caliper, rearmost (center piston) banjo - top of rear master cylinder.

(8) Rear caliper, forward banjo -> top of Proportional Valve​
All this may sound daunting at first, but this install is going a LOT easier than the Spiegler install. And, I have to admit, of the two brands, I am favoring the HEL lines for build quality and workmanship. Every length is *perfect*, and the critical orientation (angle) of each fitting is a perfect replication of the stock fitting orientation. It's a pretty damn impressive kit.

Full write-up and a million close-up photos when I am done.....
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Any possibility of this GB still happening?

I am seriously considering this upgrade, and wouldn't mind saving a few $$
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I just received my HEL SS complete brake line kit ordered from within USA from the new owner Luis of H-E-L USA out of Florida, cost was xxx ( removed as I was the first order in USA for the newly revised company) US shipped for 10 line kit just as described int his thread, looks awesome and I had +2" added to the fromt lines to make up for my heli bars , just wanted to make sure I had no binding of brake lines when turning.

Can not wait to install, very good service from Deb and Luis item was shipped fast, packed well and looks very nice went with SS banjos and clear line which has a slight smoke
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Pictures ASAP please! Where in Florida were they shipped from?
Pictures ASAP please! Where in Florida were they shipped from?
I will try to post some pics later this eve after return from Thanksgiving gobble gobble, will look at the box to see where they were actually shipped from. I had to wait for them to be shipped all the proper fittings from the UK and like I said Luis service was excellent he called me after I inquired on buying to inform me that as soon as he had all the brass fittings and banjos in my kit would be built and shipped. In fact the day he called me about 1 mth ago they big cheeze from UK Hel was at their grand opening , he said I was the first kit shipped in the US under the new ownership
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I've installed the HEL line kit to my 1983 CB-1100F back in 06. Very complete kit with nice hardware. On that bike I went with perhaps the same line covering as you Cisco...smoked clear, which comes out looking like carbon fiber in a sense. Attached are a couple of pictures taken during the install which somewhat show off the color. My banjo fittings are gold which work well with the intended application I think. My BB order will follow suit I think. Been meaning to put a order in for some time now. At the time the photo's were taken I was waiting on caliper rebuild kits prior to finishing off the line install. This bike later ended up on the Dragon and covered abour 4200km's trouble free,..which ain't bad for a 25 year old machine.

Tony

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Cisco,
Just wondering if you can tell if the "Gotcha's" mentioned below were modified by HEL on your new Kit? Warchild mentions that he was in contact with the old HEL vendor and a factory mod was in the works. Did it ever happen?

Tony




Ran into a few little snags tonight, nothing major, but enough to prevent me from wrapping up the job completely tonight as originally planned.

Here's a brief outline of the install job thus far:

As mentioned above the "10-line" kit actually has 8 physically separate lines; two of them are in two "sections".

Here are OEM lines 1-3 that attach to the left caliper and Secondary Master Cylinder:


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Here are lines 4-6, which are on the right caliper and delay valve:


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Here are lines 7-8, which attach to the rear caliper and rear master cylinder (line 7) and Proportional Valve (Line 8):


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The HEL kit for the Blackbird has two little "gotcha's", both easily overcome.

Gotch'a #1: The steering neck has a raised flange area where the t-block fitting will buttress up against once installed. However, the HEL t-block is slightly wider than the OEM t-block, so you need to dremel off about 1/16" of the flange material to allow the HEL t-block fastener holes to line up so you can thread in the fastener. This problem exists for both the left and right steering neck t-blocks.

Here is a shot of the left steering neck after I shaved off a little of the flange:


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And here is the t-block after installation. Note I used a new stainless steel button-head fastener (couldn't bring myself to use the old ass-cheese factory pig-iron hex-head bolt.):


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Gotch'a #2: For some reason, the fastener holes in the the t- blocks (which, as Toynut correctly observed, are made from a single block of billet stainless 303, and are very sweet indeed) have M6 threads tapped into them. This is not what you want to have; none of the equivalent factory t-blocks are threaded. Indeed, you can NOT pass through the stock fasteners because they are "shouldered", and the shouldered part of the fastener shaft will not pass through the t-block. Your options are a) obtain an equivalent fastener that is threaded throughout its shaft length, or b) drill out the hole to allow the passthrough of the stock fastener.

Here is the left caliper with all lines installed finger tight. At this point, I had to go find a new fastener to retain the two stainless steel HEL t-blocks you see at the top of this photo (that connect to two cross-over metal (hard) lines:


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Finally, here is the left caliper with all lines in place, and t-blocks fastened down, and metal hard lines attached:


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And the same for the right caliper:


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Tomorrow night (7 Mar 07), I'll install the last two lines on the rear caliper, and start the always-fun hydraulic fluid re-fill and bleeding exercise.... :rolleyes:
Cisco,
Just wondering if you can tell if the "Gotcha's" mentioned below were modified by HEL on your new Kit? Warchild mentions that he was in contact with the old HEL vendor and a factory mod was in the works. Did it ever happen?

Tony
I am hoping the few issues were corrected on this kit, I would expect it is the revised version but will see upon cracking the seal, I am alos going to email Luis back as I have not opened it to inquire with him as I forgot to when i purchased it. will get some pics up once I have a reply from H-E-L USA
Ladies and Germs,
Here's a copy and paste of some mail between H-E-L USA (Deb) and myself that has taken place this week.

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To: [email protected]
Subject: Price on Super Blackbird complete line kit?

Hello H.E.L USA,
Looking for price and delivery timing on a complete set of brake lines and clutch line for a 1998 Honda CBR-1100xx Super Blackbird. Color choice for fittings is gold, line color choice is smoked (a.k.a carbon look). The clutch line and the front brake primary line at the master-cylinder connections I wish to be 1 inch longer then stock please. There was also some mention of a possible hardware change to fix some fitment issues from a year ago. The details of that discussion can be seen here:

http://www.cbrxx.com/suspension-tir...ins-hel-stainless-steel-brake-line-kit-3.html

The issues are mentioned by "Warchild" during his install of the lines.


Can you relate if these issues were addressed by HEL in the U.K. with newer kits?

Thanks for any and all info.

Tony Bagley



From: H-E-L USA
To: Tony Bagley
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Price on Super Blackbird complete line kit?


Hello Tony,

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. I went to your CBRXX club site to see all that Warchild had said and sent it off to the UK. Where these fittings are made, along with the pictures. Per UK." No longer a problem as he also says that his had a 6mm tapped hole where as now they are all untapped.

So there should be no further issues form now on with the kits." 10-line kits take longer, about 2 weeks from payment to door. Adding more inches is fine, and doesn't cost any different. 10-line kits are $490. + tax in Fl. The Cisco Kid got his a lot cheaper due to our 1st. Order. We will give the CBRXX.Club (which I'm now a member) a 10% discount ($441.00) for 1-5 kits if you guys get together and order more then more of a discount.hope this helps and let me know. Thanks Deb

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So there you have it. I'll be doing the lines regardless as I believe they are well worth the investment. I believe the lines cost $49.00 (10 x $49.00= $490.00) which is what I remember as the standard rate, so the clutch line would be another $49.00 to included.

FWIW,

Tony
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Ladies and Germs,
Here's a copy and paste of some mail between H-E-L USA (Deb) and myself that has taken place this week.

(paste starts here)


To: [email protected]
Subject: Price on Super Blackbird complete line kit?

Hello H.E.L USA,
Looking for price and delivery timing on a complete set of brake lines and clutch line for a 1998 Honda CBR-1100xx Super Blackbird. Color choice for fittings is gold, line color choice is smoked (a.k.a carbon look). The clutch line and the front brake primary line at the master-cylinder connections I wish to be 1 inch longer then stock please. There was also some mention of a possible hardware change to fix some fitment issues from a year ago. The details of that discussion can be seen here:

http://www.cbrxx.com/suspension-tir...ins-hel-stainless-steel-brake-line-kit-3.html

The issues are mentioned by "Warchild" during his install of the lines.


Can you relate if these issues were addressed by HEL in the U.K. with newer kits?

Thanks for any and all info.

Tony Bagley



From: H-E-L USA
To: Tony Bagley
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Price on Super Blackbird complete line kit?


Hello Tony,

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. I went to your CBRXX club site to see all that Warchild had said and sent it off to the UK. Where these fittings are made, along with the pictures. Per UK." No longer a problem as he also says that his had a 6mm tapped hole where as now they are all untapped.

So there should be no further issues form now on with the kits." 10-line kits take longer, about 2 weeks from payment to door. Adding more inches is fine, and doesn't cost any different. 10-line kits are $490. + tax in Fl. The Cisco Kid got his a lot cheaper due to our 1st. Order. We will give the CBRXX.Club (which I'm now a member) a 10% discount ($441.00) for 1-5 kits if you guys get together and order more then more of a discount.hope this helps and let me know. Thanks Deb

(paste ends)

So there you have it. I'll be doing the lines regardless as I believe they are well worth the investment. I believe the lines cost $49.00 (10 x $49.00= $490.00) which is what I remember as the standard rate, so the clutch line would be another $49.00 to included.

FWIW,

Tony
Wow looks great and looks as though I got a killa price for plaing faith in earlier posts by Luis as the new owner, their current pricing is still great and I guess I was the first order and did benefit big time, will edit my post above so they do not continue getting inquiries on the price I paid which was a one time deal being their first order which was very cool !
Well as of this morning my order has been placed. E-mail backed up with phone chat with Deb made for a painless experiance I'm pleased to say. I guess I'll see the kit in a couple of weeks or so. The install will not happen until spring due to weather and time constraints. I'm currently stock piling parts for the spring maint thrash I normally do prior to our June ride. So far it looks like: Chain sprockets, HEL line install, oil/filter,wheel bearings and seals, most likely a HID install at some point (still have to decide on a set up and make the purchase) maybe a rear hugger to keep the crap off the Ohlins out back, maybe a fender extender for the front. Factory Pro jet kit and Tiforce 4-2-1 system install, steering stem bearing change out, Tank Slapper protection for the tank.

Tony
Well as of this morning my order has been placed. E-mail backed up with phone chat with Deb made for a painless experiance I'm pleased to say. I guess I'll see the kit in a couple of weeks or so. The install will not happen until spring due to weather and time constraints. I'm currently stock piling parts for the spring maint thrash I normally do prior to our June ride. So far it looks like: Chain sprockets, HEL line install, oil/filter,wheel bearings and seals, most likely a HID install at some point (still have to decide on a set up and make the purchase) maybe a rear hugger to keep the crap off the Ohlins out back, maybe a fender extender for the front. Factory Pro jet kit and Tiforce 4-2-1 system install, steering stem bearing change out, Tank Slapper protection for the tank.

Tony
Tony , what do you think of the kit? I have a bunch of parts to install as well and will soon start the HEL install in my garage over the winter
CiscoK,
As far as I know the kit is as advertised and of the quality that I was after. I went with a one inch over stock length on the primary lines to make things a bit easier related to the Heli bar install. In truth other then opening the shipping box I've not done a parts inventory on the kit (I guess I'm a trusting sort?)....mine came in two blister pak containers, which should do all the brake lines and the clutch line. I'm sure that Deb would help out with any short coming if there should be one...I don't expect there is though. Shipping was timely even though I believe the kit and/or parts there of were shipped out of the U.K. I do not expect any trouble during the install.

Key in my mind is making sure that brake fluid does not come in contact with painted surfaces during the change out. If I do the change out before our schedule June ride I'll start it during the normal routine maintenance when the bulk of the plastic parts are removed from the bike. I plan to remove the front fender to ensure it is not dripped on with fluid given the bulk of the line connections around the front fork area. Currently the bike is parked and plugged into the battery tender and awaits warmer weather. I may even for go the brake line install until after our June spring ride. I've worked to a spring ride dead line for the last 4 years and hate the idea of being pushed by time constraints to get the work on the bikes done. I just have to see how things go as June approaches. High on the list of must do's is the standard oil and filter change, and a valve adjustment check. After that anything that happens will be gravy. The parts department is full so other items will follow as time permits. The 1000RR was trailed home from the local dealer after a factory re-call on the fuel tank was replaced with new,...and a new set of rubber installed. Weather and salt on the roads did not make me want to ride it so it got piggy backed on the trailer. So..I'll have a machine to ride if and when the BB is layed up for maint. items I want to get done this year. Tough part will be trying to get the work done when I know I could be out riding instead of wrenching...hmmm...what to do?

Tony
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The Hel lines were installed, in retrospect had I known even with Heli Bars the stock length would have been fine, If I remember correct I went +2, there is some slack but not anything to worry about I just was too worried about not having them long enough.

Bike is coming back from a big service/overhaul this weekend so if I can I will get some pics up but mechanic said they went on fine no issues at all so they were the revised units.
Any chance of a D-Link kit?
JAWS do a delink kit.comes with lines and bracket for caliper.
Finally I installed my own HEL-kit. Everything went OK, but I still have air in the DCBS-cilinder on the left front fork. I can't get this to go away..... I've used both vacuumbleeders (even a strong motorized one), and tried it manually, but I still hear (and feel) air in the cilinder when I apply the rear brake. I've now used 3 bottles of braking fluid (when 1 should have been enogh). Any suggestions?
same here about the air

You need to follow the workshop book exactly to get it right. even the mechs have problems unless Honda trained
My tech took several hours and the dealer had to buy a special bleeder. My Goodridges work excellently.
You need to follow the workshop book exactly to get it right. even the mechs have problems unless Honda trained
I did, but the rear is still soft......
Hi, this looks like a great help for someone like me who wants to install a HEL kit as a novice DIY project but not seeing your attachments? Is it possible to email them? [email protected] . Kind regards, David.
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