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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuck View Post
    You are really getting the hang of this maintenance XXGUY

    I've managed to get one out of a Bird fork with a very fine drift and a gentle tap with a mallet, they can stick in the recess in the fork bottom.
    This one is loose and I think that I can see it stuck sideways. I am learning that is the truth. Doing valve clearance on bucket and shim type valves is next on the list to learn. That has me nervous.

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by XXGUY
    Doing valve clearance on bucket and shim type valves is next on the list to learn. That has me nervous.
    Nothing to be nervous about on the Bird just allow yourself a decent amount of time and then double it!

    Things to remember
    1. Cover the throttle bodies with cling film or cloth to stop anything 'dropping in'

    2. The cover seal always falls out when you try to get the cover back on. To stop this being a real frustration when you remove the cover make your first task sticking a new seal into the cover with silicone, this will go off while checking the clearances and you will complete the task in a better frame of mind.

    3. To check the clearances on a Bird 'cranked' feeler gauges make life a lot easier.

    4. If the cams have to come out you will need a strong magnet (pulls out bucket and shim in one go), a 6" steel rule (to check the marks on the cam sprockets when re-timing the motor), a small mirror (to see the steel rule and sprocket marks lining up) and a torque wrench that is accurate at 12N.m

    5. No matter what shims you have (I have 2 sets) you never have the one you want! I had to pay two visits to the dealer when I was re-shimming my Mrs' bike a couple of months ago .....




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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuck View Post
    Nothing to be nervous about on the Bird just allow yourself a decent amount of time and then double it!

    Things to remember
    1. Cover the throttle bodies with cling film or cloth to stop anything 'dropping in'

    2. The cover seal always falls out when you try to get the cover back on. To stop this being a real frustration when you remove the cover make your first task sticking a new seal into the cover with silicone, this will go off while checking the clearances and you will complete the task in a better frame of mind.

    3. To check the clearances on a Bird 'cranked' feeler gauges make life a lot easier.

    4. If the cams have to come out you will need a strong magnet (pulls out bucket and shim in one go), a 6" steel rule (to check the marks on the cam sprockets when re-timing the motor), a small mirror (to see the steel rule and sprocket marks lining up) and a torque wrench that is accurate at 12N.m

    5. No matter what shims you have (I have 2 sets) you never have the one you want! I had to pay two visits to the dealer when I was re-shimming my Mrs' bike a couple of months ago .....




    By "cranked" do you mean the type that is bent at the end?

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Yep that's the type
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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuck View Post
    Yep that's the type
    Well, I am due for a valve check most likely as I bought the bike with 7093 miles on it in 13 and it now has 23,000 or so miles on it now.
    Haven't gotten into the garage yet today as I have some things that need to be done. Hopefully I'll get out there and get those forks done or order new seals as needed!

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Happy day! Took me about 15 minutes to get this little bugger out. It was jammed in sideways and stuck. Had to figure out something long and skinny to knock it loose. Then I aligned it and jiggled it for a long time and then bling... it was on the floor. You can see the damage I did to it since I jammed the tube down on it. Well I filed the burrs down and I will use it anyway!
    I used a driveway marker it is a long fiberglass rod. Orange

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Guy
    Bikemaster makes a very good set of gauges for 10.00. They are metric and U.S. and have 32 blades. They are also tappered so it makes getting into the birds tight spaces easier. If you have to pull the cam caps. Start from the center and work out 1/2 turn intervals. Got jerrys bird here now and 1 and 3 had zero lash on the intake and 4 was hung open slightly. So ill be on and off with the intake cam at least twice.
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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Well I got the front end back together and even had #2 daughter out there learning. Replace front brakes tomorrow and put the tire back on and then do the body work. I think that I need to grease the Center Stand too. Duck thanks for recommending that tool for air gap. A well spent $15 last year. #2 saw it and exclaimed "how do you have tools for everything? How do you know how to do everything?"
    I don't. I didn't know how to do any of this last year. I just read and learn on my forums. I didn't know about this tool until a forum member told me about it.

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by beestoys View Post
    Guy
    Bikemaster makes a very good set of gauges for 10.00. They are metric and U.S. and have 32 blades. They are also tappered so it makes getting into the birds tight spaces easier. If you have to pull the cam caps. Start from the center and work out 1/2 turn intervals. Got jerrys bird here now and 1 and 3 had zero lash on the intake and 4 was hung open slightly. So ill be on and off with the intake cam at least twice.
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    I have a large set of the bent ones already. So if I understand you correctly... If you have more than one out of tolerance you check them all. Then remove the cams and replace with the correct shims and then put cams back on and re-check the tolerance and most likely will have to pull them again? W
    Another question. Why do bikes have the bucket and shim style valve adjustment? Is it for space saving or weight savings? Durability due to high revving? The rebel 250 has the old lock nut and screw type, so does the NC700X's, but that is 1/2 of a Honda Fit engine.
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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by XXGUY View Post
    I have a large set of the bent ones already. So if I understand you correctly... If you have more than one out of tolerance you check them all. Then remove the cams and replace with the correct shims and then put cams back on and re-check the tolerance and most likely will have to pull them again? W
    Another question. Why do bikes have the bucket and shim style valve adjustment? Is it for space saving or weight savings? Durability due to high revving? The rebel 250 has the old lock nut and screw type, so does the NC700X's, but that is 1/2 of a Honda Fit engine.
    Gone are the days when i could adjust my honda 750k2 tappets and points timing with a couple of small spanners and cigarette papers by the side of a dusty road miles from nowhere. Sigh.. :-(
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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by XXGUY
    So if I understand you correctly... If you have more than one out of tolerance you check them all. Then remove the cams and replace with the correct shims and then put cams back on and re-check the tolerance and most likely will have to pull them again?
    you can never be certain if you will have to pull the cams for a second time.
    On the Bird I have never had to pull either cam after I have re-shimmed ....... on my Mrs' Fazer I had the bl..dy exhaust cam out 3 times when I had to re shim that motor recently.

    So, check all clearances, re-shim if necessary, recheck all clearances ..... then either put the top back on if all OK or go back and adjust the shims if any clearances are 'out'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbz1900 View Post
    Gone are the days when i could adjust my honda 750k2 tappets and points timing with a couple of small spanners and cigarette papers by the side of a dusty road miles from nowhere. Sigh.. :-(
    BUT also gone are the days when you need to do it along side of the road... let's not forget that either!:-)

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by XXGUY View Post
    BUT also gone are the days when you need to do it along side of the road... let's not forget that either!:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisbiker2 View Post
    Or doing it every few thousand miles!
    Especially points! I looked at my dusty dwell tach which is on top of my old trusty timing light which is on the shelf the other day... I think that I forgot how to use them.

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    Re: What I have been doing the last few evenings!

    Quote Originally Posted by Krisbiker2 View Post
    Or doing it every few thousand miles!
    Easy. You did it when you reoiled the K&Ns, replaced the headlight globe by unsrewing the headlight fascia then regapped the spark plugs, which went in a hole YOU COULD SEE AND BLOW THE CRUD OUT OF EASILY. finger tight, then a quick visible tighten. And with no time spent putting on the bloody fairing cowlings, you could lie back and chew on a freshly rolled ciggie and contemplate life by the side of that dusty road, and waited for that vulcanised patch on the tube to go off, so you could whack the sucker back on. (The last two tubes had been used in the last 18 hours along that dusty dirt road you had been on for two days).
    sorry xx, back to regular programming.
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