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    I Don't Understand...

    Perhaps I am "preaching to the choir" as they say...But, I don't understand. I have owned my 00 Bird for 5 years. It has 19,xxx on it. The best word that describes it is "sublime". It is smooth, reliable, brutally fast, and IMHO, arguably one of, if not thee most beautiful mass produced motorcycles ever made - Ducati or Augusta not withstanding. Not once in five years has it given me the least bit of mechanical difficulty - NOT ONCE. The CBR1100XX has never left the Top 5 Fastest bikes of all time since it's creation.

    - Why then, do I see our bikes sell for pitifully low sums with less than 15 or 20,000 miles on them?
    - Why do other sport touring bikes with, IMHO, less to offer and much higher miles sell for significantly more?

    I don't understand. This is not a rant, but rather a call for discussion. I would be very interested to know what you think. Perhaps I am being overly biased...But I just don't understand
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Because it's now considered an old man's rocket ship. Still good bikes, though.
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Ah but the Bird doesn't have 'modes' and we all know we can't ride without them.
    The Bird doesn't have ABS and we all know we can't brake without it.
    The Bird doesn't have a TFT dash and we know we can't tell speed/revs without one.

    ….and of course
    Why then, do I see our bikes sell for pitifully low sums with less than 15 or 20,000 miles on them?
    wow that is high mileage bikes don't last that long do they?

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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    I don't know why either. I agree with the beauty of the machine. It is one bike that I never get tired of looking at. Looks fast just sitting there and the lines just flow. I have had some people tell me it is not a true sports bike. Yes, it is larger than a 600 but I can still go fast and corner too. With some modifications I can go for long trips and my 6'3" frame is more comfortable than I ever thought it would be! I don't know why but I sure took advantage of it and snagged my 2001 Glory Red in 2013 for $3500 with just 7,000 miles on it. I was so happy that I even gave him his asking price and I never do that. Especially when I knew he would go below $3000 because he wasn't able to sell it in a year. I have been grinning ever since.

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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Okay. So there's part of my rub. Why is it considered an "old man's rocket ship"? Looks, speed, mechanical reliability and superb engineering. Would you call a Ferrari GTO 250 and old man's rocket ship? No, because it's a timeless classic that has proven itself again and again and earned it's place in automotive history. But, by the standards of today, is antiquated and could never hold it's own... Unlike our Birds. Aretha said it best... R E S P E C T !
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Ahh...You mean you have to actually ride the Bird and control it awesome power with skill rather than gadgetry or ABS??? Got it!
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    Some of us were young when we got ours, I guess we just grew old together! I don't know where the decades have gone other than in bucket loads of riding fun!

    Old man's rocket ship. I'll take that one!

    "Sports Tourer" designation and as folk say lack of gadgetry (ABS, Traction Control, Modes, Cruise Control, DRLs, TPMS, heated bars n seats, phone/ gps/ bluetooth etc) plus cleaner emission standards Euro 3-4 and beyond etc all add up against our beloved birds (despite them being cleaner ahead of their time).

    Ok a lot of the clag you can add as aftermarket bolt-ons (I certainly have done exactly that) but many are lazy or feel investing in off the shelf a better easier way forward.

    Our birds are however incredible bang for your buck. Graceful, powerful, iconic and ridiculously affordable. Why wish for that to change?
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Quote Originally Posted by Contevita View Post
    Because it's now considered an old man's rocket ship. Still good bikes, though.
    Nicely put Contevita. I've finally admitted i am now of the.....errr older generation .
    But! it is a rocket ship for a bike conceived 25? yrs ago. It's exactly what i want ie no "must have" modes and i can actually work and repair her myself. If i get stuck, i just ask here and there's an answer/cure. IF! i ever came to sell her i would break her. With all my mods to it i would never get back what i have put into it. Similar to my 2008 Aprilia RSVR. Apes are so cheap she is also worth more in parts sadly.
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Well if you want all the gadgetry you can spend the money... personally I had that exact choice to make less than a month ago. I could have had a new Goldwing with a LED or totally electric dash, better handling, etc, etc. Sure at a hefty price tag... which I have paid before in 3 new wings over the years. But I didn't want all that stuff. I like real gauges/analog gauges. Handling? With a lot less money I can make it handle as good as the new ones. Baggage is bigger and I found one with only 1,931 miles on it for less than half price (2015 model).
    I second what Adeyren voiced... I can work on my Bird and through this forum I have learned a lot. I bought Beestoy's cruise control (He put it on) and it looks totally stock, put Jamie Daugherty's adjustable forks and rear shock on, $25 TPMS off Amazon works wonders, better windshield, tried a 44 tooth rear sprocket, sure I don't try to see how fast it goes and never will but taking off from a country stop sign and hitting triple digits or deciding to pass 4 cars on the way to work just because you can is fun. The acceleration factor and the torque compared to a modern 600 or 750 may not be up to snuff so they say but when they are topped out I can still go.
    It is a good thing I got it when I was 50 because if I had bought one new at 33 I never would have made it to 50 yrs!
    I might add that working on this XX is just maintenance, not really engine repairs.
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    1984 wing is the memories ride. Bought new March of 85 at 20. Wife and I traveled all over on it. has 112,000 miles on it.
    The ST1300 was the Wonder what it's like ride. Fun, custom seat and bars so way more comfortable than the XX and corners great but the grin factor is way below the XX.
    Rebel is #3 daughter's ride. Gone through 2 others before her, so that's the beginner's ride.
    NC700XD is #1 daughter's ride.
    NC700X is #2 daughter's ride
    Started teaching the granddaughter the basics already!
    For the money and reliability of the XX you can't beat it but everyone wants the latest stuff but I think that's changing.
    I believe one reason why the MC market is lagging is that there are so many older and still reliable bikes out there and the market is flooded with them and there is no reason to buy expensive new ones. Most of the newer above bikes were bought at about half price with very low miles.
    The emerging adventure bike market is the exception but deals can be had there... just not on the new Honda African Twin. It's to new yet.

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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Shhhhhhh
    The world still doesn't know it's potential and all around ride ability. Same goes for the insurance industry. So let's just keep it between the ones that know and enjoy the benefits.
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Its a honda,the motorcycle worlds amc

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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Gawd's sake Guy, how many bikes have you got? Getting lost here
    Also got bees cruise control that i installed myself...(feeling proud ) after a lot of head scratching and referring to UK and US wiring diagrams i got it working faultlessly. Us poor 2000 UK Birds have a headlight switch . Other than that its basically plug and play on later switchless Birds, its a great addition to the bike. Love it when i meet a UK owner who says... what the ****s that switch control?
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Quote Originally Posted by beestoys View Post
    Shhhhhhh
    The world still doesn't know it's potential and all around ride ability. Same goes for the insurance industry. So let's just keep it between the ones that know and enjoy the benefits.
    Yes, I get that. But to quote Tony Stark - "I AM Iron Man"
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Quote Originally Posted by adeyren View Post
    Also got bees cruise control that i installed myself...(feeling proud ) after a lot of head scratching and referring to UK and US wiring diagrams i got it working faultlessly. Us poor 2000 UK Birds have a headlight switch . Other than that its basically plug and play on later switchless Birds, its a great addition to the bike. Love it when i meet a UK owner who says... what the ****s that switch control?
    Hey ade
    Not sure if I ever got a copy of your wiring model the euro standards. If you ever have time could you send it to me. Or I could send the kits via you lol
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    Re: I Don't Understand...

    Ade,
    I have 4 and the Rebel in my garage. The two NC700X's I bought and outfitted then gave them to my two older daughters and the bikes are now in their garages. The ST is going to be given to my eldest son this summer. That had to go to make room for the new wing. I am the mechanic for all of them though. They are learning beside me though.

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