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    Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    Evenin' all,

    Firstly, I should say hi to all and grovel for my lack of attendance 'round these here parts for some time!

    As the wealth of knowledge available here has been of considerable help in the past, this is my first stop in times of trouble...

    On my way home this evening, my '06 BB died. Considerately of her, she picked her moment - a short uphill push from my driveway. She now will not start. Info as follows;



    • Stopped with apparent lack of ignition - no power to instruments or lights, as if the ignition were off and the key out.
    • Running smoothly for the short ride beforehand with no symptoms leading up to cutting out (*see note below).
    • Check of battery revealed healthy 12.9v shortly after stop.
    • Checked continuity between negative battery terminal and earth - good
    • Checked main and starter fuse - neither blown. Pulling wiring connector on starter relay with some difficulty in order to check main fuse revealed somewhat furry connectors - cleaned and applied contralube.


    * The bike began occasionally showing the FI light with code 25 (knock sensor fault) around 10 days ago, but did not do so on this ride or the last few, and I'm hesitant to assume a link between this and the current problem

    Would anyone have advise on sensible next faultfinding steps? The killswitch is next on my list, but I'd thought (of course I can't now check this) that when switched, power to the plugs is severed but power remains to the dash, lights etc, and I don't have this.

    Any pointers on diagnosis would be much appreciated!


    As an aside, I'm a bit tied up over the next few days so may not be able to respond swiflty to replies but please don't take a little silence as any lack of gratitiude for knowledge offered
    Last edited by ThisWayUp; 06-15-2019 at 5:27 PM.
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    So when you turn the key no dash lights no nothing? not even the clock?
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    Ignition key switch? Check wire not broken off the back and that turning key gives circuit continuity.
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    here's little diagram to give you a start - follow the ignition switch 12v

    Wiring.png

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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    If the RH switch bock is playing up (basically the kill switch) is playing up the fuel pump won't whirr (and the HISS light wont extinguish) everything else should be as normal. The fact that you have zilch suggests to me (and leighb) that there may be an issue with the ignition barrel connections or it's block connector just a short distance away (assuming your 06 is the same as my 99 which it is to the best of my knowledge).
    To check the barrel connections you need to remove the lower plastic cover which is held on by 'security screws' so if you don't have the appropriate tool you need a bit set. The connections can then be checked with a small mirror and a light without having to remove anything.
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    Thanks for the input gents.

    You're correct Gadgey, no response whatsoever to turning the key.

    Having taken a look at the "security screws" holding the bottom cover of the ignition barrel, the appropriate bit is of course missing from the old set I've got knocking around so I will lay my hands on another set ASAP and take a look.

    No amount of wiggling at the loom connection point produces any results but I guess I won't really know until I can see. The screws look as you might expect them to having never been removed through 13 years of british winter road spray *gulp*. Fingers crossed...! At least it's easy to get at them in a nice convenient position

    Wish me luck! I'll post some results.
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    As above, start at the key/barrel. Anyway serves ya right for not posting for ages. Where have you been?
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThisWayUp View Post
    ….At least it's easy to get at them in a nice convenient position

    Wish me luck! I'll post some results.
    If you don't fancy the job in situ (and I couldn't blame you) it doesn't take much to take the top yoke off, top nut, bars and pinch bars. Disconnect the electrical connector and you can lift the yoke off. Makes it much easier to work on.
    If you do this it is worth checking the electrical connections inside the switch, there is a possibility you will see something like this which caused my bike to appear to have electrical failure on a couple of occasions when I was commuting (I found wiggling the key got me going so I made some contact). Not saying this is your problem (new contact sets are avaliable) but in our weather it is worth checking if it has got in.
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    Quote Originally Posted by adeyren View Post
    As above, start at the key/barrel. Anyway serves ya right for not posting for ages. Where have you been?
    Hey Ade. Ah Y'know, here and there, finding new ways to get into trouble...

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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    So, after much removing of things for the purposes of access, the grand reveal....

    IMAG1770.jpg

    A broken contact on the base of the ignition switch.

    Thanks again for the pointers guys

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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    In a perverse sort of way I'm pleased to see the broken wire ThisWayUp. A pain in the neck job to get into but great to read you are sorted

    The British weather has certainly got in there!
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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    great news and always something to be aware of on our aging Birds

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    Re: Woe is me - a breakdown and a non-starter...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThisWayUp View Post
    Thanks for the input gents.

    You're correct Gadgey, no response whatsoever to turning the key.

    Having taken a look at the "security screws" holding the bottom cover of the ignition barrel, the appropriate bit is of course missing from the old set I've got knocking around so I will lay my hands on another set ASAP and take a look.

    No amount of wiggling at the loom connection point produces any results but I guess I won't really know until I can see. The screws look as you might expect them to having never been removed through 13 years of british winter road spray *gulp*. Fingers crossed...! At least it's easy to get at them in a nice convenient position

    Wish me luck! I'll post some results.
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