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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Fizz
    My SH keeps the bike at about 14.6 -14.7 which the Shoria likes to be at.
    Route 191 formerly Route 666 Some say that this section of the
    road has 1100 curves in 95 miles.

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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Bees, I think you have the ultimate setup. I am a step behind, especially in the battery department.

    I just have a couple of potatoes with some nails sticking out of them, held together with coat hanger wire. Anything over 120 mph and they turn into French fries.
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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Bees, presume you mean the SH847 same as mine? My lithium battery " behaves" differently. Very slowly ramps up to 14.2 - 14.6 over 5 minutes or so? Thats at usual riding speeds. At traffic/idling it drops to 12.6 - 13.0 then picks up again at usual speeds. Bikes been parked up 4 weeks or so, long story, and its flat. Last winter left it 3 months in the cold garage and still full charge. Suspect the current lithium is fooked. Now do i persevere and get another one or switch back to a tried and tested battery? I have too many untried variables, a rewound stator, lithium battery and the SH847. None of which i know of anybody using over here.
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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

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    Yes the same series R/R from jack. I am also running a koso amp meter and typically see about 13 amps after fire up then it'll taper off to zero by the time the bikes off cold idle. Volt meter will be reading 14.5. Up at freeway speeds the amp meter will show about 2.5 to 3 amps negative but the volt meter reads 14.6, 14.7. I know from hard earned experince the bike pulls about 11 amps running. So R/R is still putting a charge back in the battery because of the 8 amp difference between no input and the running average. That coupled with the 14.6, 14.7 tells me there's voltage going into the battery and that the Regulator is doing what we always suspected with the newer technology and actually unloading the stator.
    You may be right it may have taken a hit. Does your battery use a normal charger to charge it off bike. Shoria makes a special one that they recommend using once a year to rebalance the cells. R/C car guys use a similar charger to do the same to get more life out of thier batteries. You might want to ask an engineer at your battery manufacturer and see what they recommend.
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    Route 191 formerly Route 666 Some say that this section of the
    road has 1100 curves in 95 miles.

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    Using the Noco Genus 3500 IIRC, haven't got it to hand at the moment but it has got a lithium mode for charging. Recently bought a lithium for the Aprilia. The recommended charger for that was nearly the same price as the battery!
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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by adeyren View Post
    Bees, presume you mean the SH847 same as mine? My lithium battery " behaves" differently. Very slowly ramps up to 14.2 - 14.6 over 5 minutes or so? Thats at usual riding speeds. At traffic/idling it drops to 12.6 - 13.0 then picks up again at usual speeds. Bikes been parked up 4 weeks or so, long story, and its flat. Last winter left it 3 months in the cold garage and still full charge. Suspect the current lithium is fooked. Now do i persevere and get another one or switch back to a tried and tested battery? I have too many untried variables, a rewound stator, lithium battery and the SH847. None of which i know of anybody using over here.
    Try it a few times, sometimes they need loading when cold to "wake" them up. I'm still not convinced the tech is there with lithium batteries for our use yet and am happy with a std yuasa that gives me a good five years of use and is pretty consistent. I do have it on an optimate 1 when not in use tho
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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Ade
    I'd still check with the manufacturer and see if they mention or recommend rebalancing the cells. Not sure if that charger does. Might want to contact the charger manufacturer as well.
    Route 191 formerly Route 666 Some say that this section of the
    road has 1100 curves in 95 miles.

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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Will do Bees. Just strange, last years bloody cold winter (for here) the battery was left for 3? months, no problem. This year we have only a few coldish snaps and its been flat a few times.
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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Understood
    Had mine parked for a week when i went back home for my wifes 40th class reunion. When I checked it had pulled down to 6 volts. I suspect the last stator die and me running til the bike shut off didnt make it too happy. I'm keeping an eye on it and have been running their charger conditioner on it lately. It's been in there for 4 years and daily commuted so i can't really complain. Its also getting colder out here now. My sons BB with a gel cell isn't taking it very well either so I'm not calling it yet. But it did drop to 9volts and some change cranking this morning. I'll have to do a start test tomorrow and watch my volt and amp meters.
    Route 191 formerly Route 666 Some say that this section of the
    road has 1100 curves in 95 miles.

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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Somewhat related ...or maybe not, but.... I've been making it policy to change out batteries at the 7 year mark regardless of issues or not. My history (now that I've been tracking it via a maint. log books) indicates that around that time frame from new they (lead acid/AGM batteries) are apt to fail on you without warning. I do this for bikes and car/truck batteries. I'm also carrying one of those micro-start booster kits (Lipo paks) not so much for myself, but for cell phone charging and maybe helping others out that have issues on the road. This Lipo unit does go on tour with one of our bikes when we are on extended tour.

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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Excellent idea carrying one of those with you on trips. Our service manager needed a new battery in his Colorado and drove around for a couple days before installing it, used it 17 times on one charge to start his 5 cyl truck. Pretty sure it was that same XP-3 model.
    BTW, the same model is rebranded under many names, not that they are all the same but a lot are.
    I keep telling myself I should have one at the track... one of these days I will.

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    Re: Lithium Batteries Explained.

    Al (Partsguy),
    I believe these "starter/booster" battery units have be forced into many different non-standard services..seeing as your talking race track applications. imagine those guys at the track that haul around the standard 12Volt car battery to use with their remote bike engine starter cart motors. You could, most likely, integrate one of these small booster battery's into the starter motor, which would enable you to ditch the "starter cart" portion of your starter set up.

    I know r/c model plane guys have done this with their electric starter motors that spin the propeller/spinner on their engines for quick starts. More typical was to have the electric starter motor wired into a motorcycle batter with a long cable run.

    I'm actually using the next model up XP-10 Micro-Start unit. The case still makes for a very small foot print. It fits into my RAM console no problem and hides in the bottom of the tailbag when on tour on the Bird.

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