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    Loss of all oil

    Hi Guys.

    I recently had a day out riding, during which I lost all my engine oil due to the oil filter seal blowing. I rode on for a few miles with the oil light flickering on before stopping and calling the AA. A filter change and some oil soon got me going again. However, when I now blip the throttle whilst stationary, I notice a brief rattle from the engine. This lasts a split second before disappearing and the engine sounds tight once this noise goes. If I accellerate steady rather than blipping, the noise doesn't happen. I may just be paranoid and this noise may have been there before my breakdown but I am a bit worried now that the engine has sufferred some damage as a result of running for a while on lack of oil and reduced oil pressure. I would be grateful for any advice.

    Many thanks

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    If its the low down Crank-thump from tickover, mine does the same! As soon as it gets above 1500 revs it disappears... if yours has a problem then so does mine!

    I think its nothing to worry about and its done it all along! But I'd be interested in other responses.


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    Re: Loss of all oil

    If as you say the oil light was only flickering there should have been plenty of oil in the system to look after your engine...
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    Re: Loss of all oil

    if the oil light blinked the number three bearing is gone ,,,change it before the rod is too. and then the crank.

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Maybe you are just hearing the clutch basket rattle now you are 'listening for something'

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    when the engine is running the light on indicates low oil pressure (caused in your case by low oil level) .I would be concerned.The least I would do is drop the sump to check for blackening of the big end caps which would indicate excessive heat.Good luck.

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Thanks for the responses.

    The 'noise' appears to come from the top of the engine and is more of a very brief chain rattle or loose bolt type of rattle, and as i say it briefly appears just as I blip the throttle. If I hold the revs slightly above tick over and blip the throttle it doesn't do it?

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Also, forgot to say that the engine took 3 1/2 litres of oil, so I didn't have too much left. And by the way, I have a 2006 BB.

    Many thanks

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Quote Originally Posted by cbrxxquad View Post
    if the oil light blinked the number three bearing is gone ,,,change it before the rod is too. and then the crank.
    I would pay attention to what this fellow says - I believe him to be well versed on these engines.
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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Found this morning that if I hold the clutch in and blip the throttle, the noise disappears. Took bike to a local dealer this morning and he's happy that it's 'clutch rattle' saying that most BB's suffer from this. He said that any real damage to the engine would have presented itself by now. I think I may be lucky and have got away with it on this occasion!

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Not a chance, your bearings are making the noise, rather the pounding on the crank is.

    It will lock up.

    Sorry, I really am..

    The correct way to know, pull the pan and reach in and try and move the rods. They do move a little side to side, a few thousands, and should.

    I got pictures..and have heard the noise your talking about, and repaired thousands of motors...

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    I've not had the bird long but I've had a few bikes. I can say that they all rattle. Some with the clutch in, some with it out. You're so close to all the bits flying around that you'll inevitably hear something should you be listening !

    Noise vanishes when you pull the clutch in.... ? Sounds like you've found the rattle

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    I wouldn't be so quick to condemn no. 3 bearing as a certainty even though it seems to be the one that always goes first. It is amazing what you can get away with with a few quarts low. If the light was flickering then it is safe to say that the oil sump was picking up oil most of the time, thus, giving all of the bearings some protection. If you weren't working the engine hard for those few short miles, then you are probably just fine. The noise you're talking about could be in addition to clutch basket noise and is most likely the balance shaft bearings out of adjustment or sloppy. My bike always makes that noise while idling when it's first fired up (it sounds ugly). It goes away when it warms up over about 95 degrees. Bringing up the revs a bit always makes the noise go away.

    I would continue to ride the bike, but, pay attention to any new unusual dull "thud-like" knock sound that starts to develop miles later to keep from tearing up the crank pin. If you can, drop the pan and inspect no. 3 rod bearing if you must have that peace of mind.
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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Dropping the pan and checking is cheap insurance - and peace of mind. If you're worried about the top end, a simple leak down test (any good shop can perform one) can allay any fears about your rings and valves.

    Think of this as getting a complete physical after a scary get-off... There may be nothing wrong... but... It's far better to know for certain.

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    Re: Loss of all oil

    Quote Originally Posted by ironmike View Post
    Dropping the pan and checking is cheap insurance - and peace of mind. If you're worried about the top end, a simple leak down test (any good shop can perform one) can allay any fears about your rings and valves.

    Think of this as getting a complete physical after a scary get-off... There may be nothing wrong... but... It's far better to know for certain.
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