Suspension / Tires / Wheels / Brakes: Discussion of Honda CBR 1100 XX Super Blackbird Forks, Shocks, Chains, Sprockets, Tires, Wheels, and Brakes.
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Favorite Tire Brand?
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Avon
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Bridgestone
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Continental
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Dunlop
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Metzeler
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Michelin
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Pirelli
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Other
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07-05-2008, 12:02 AM
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#211 | Join Date: May 07 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Bike(s): 2007 CBR1100XX Posts: 21
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Have just got a rear flat with only 1700kms on the OEM Dunlops that came with the new bike and it's now in the shop being looked at ...my weekend is fading away with no riding to be had
Just looking over this post to choose a replacement tyre if they can't fix it...looks like the Pilot Road 2 is the way to go.
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07-05-2008, 7:33 PM
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#212 | Join Date: Nov 25 2006 Location: canada Bike(s): '02 metalic cherry red CBR 1100 XX Posts: 1,982
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I doubt the dealer will plug your tire, mine wont.
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08-06-2008, 3:28 PM
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#213 | Join Date: Oct 28 2007 Location: Pleasanton Ca Bike(s): Silver 2002 CBR 1100xx Age: 43 Posts: 75
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Just replaced my Avon Storms with a new set, but installed the viper up front. I was able to get 11,400 miles out of them since Jan 08. I could have went another 1k but picked up a staple in the rear.
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08-19-2008, 1:26 PM
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#214 | Join Date: Nov 25 2006 Location: canada Bike(s): '02 metalic cherry red CBR 1100 XX Posts: 1,982
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After 10,000 kms my Pirelli rear has flatten. Too much touring I suppose. Fully loaded, two up, slabbing it and being cautious. Lots of tread left, front and rear. I'll replace it in the spring with the new riding season. I was pleased with the Avons, I just tour a great deal and eventually the rear flattens in the centre. I'm pleased with the Pirelli as well. Keep the tire pressure at 42 psi, check it regularly, use a proper gage. I flatted the rear Avon with a nail.
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08-19-2008, 2:11 PM
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#215 | Join Date: Nov 07 2006 Location: LI, NY Bike(s): '03 XX Posts: 67
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Originally Posted by SSUXX I just spooned on a set of Dunlop qualifiers and HOLY SHIT! Damn-those tires rock.  I have 800 miles on them and the grip they offer is amazing. I doubt they will last very long but I'm willing to deal with lower mileage to get grip like that. One thing I noticed is they don't like tar snakes at all; the front skates right over them.
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Update: They still rock but are done at 3000 miles. 
Front has plenty of meat but cupped and the rear is into the wear bars and flat.
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08-19-2008, 7:46 PM
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#216 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 340
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My Pilot Road 2ct tires have 4500 miles on them with no real visible signs of wear yet.
No chicken strips either. |
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09-06-2008, 2:00 PM
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#217 | Join Date: Aug 22 2008 Location: Boston, MA Bike(s): 2003 CBRXX Black, 1993 CBR1000F Posts: 16
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I've read though all the postings on tires (great info by the way) there is one piece of "data" that might be really helpful. Michelin boasts on thier website the Pilot Road 2 finished First in "Wet grip and durability testing was performed in 2006 by CERM (Centre d’Essais Routiers Mécaniques)" supposedly dsome credible unbiased test organization.
What about the rest of the catagories? Does anyone know how to get the complete results of this report (hopefully in English)? I'd be interested inknowing how they fared inother catagories against the others.
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09-06-2008, 2:24 PM
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#218 | Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinios Bike(s): 1999 CBR1100XX and 1988 CBR1000F Stock & excellent Posts: 1,768
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If its a french testing organization I would be warry of any kind of results out of that. The key words are credible and unbiased. I haven't seen those traits employed in of any kind of french testing organization. I might be biased myself based on what I have seen out of their sporting and political organizations. Not trying to slam the good people in France. Everyone raves about those tires though.
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09-06-2008, 2:28 PM
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#219 | Join Date: Aug 22 2008 Location: Boston, MA Bike(s): 2003 CBRXX Black, 1993 CBR1000F Posts: 16
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Still,
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09-06-2008, 2:30 PM
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#220 | Join Date: Aug 22 2008 Location: Boston, MA Bike(s): 2003 CBRXX Black, 1993 CBR1000F Posts: 16
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Still, they finished first in only 2 catagories, it would be interesting to see where they ranked in the others (lap times, dry braking, wet braking etc.).
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09-06-2008, 4:48 PM
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#221 | Join Date: Jul 21 2008 Location: UK Bike(s): 2002 Blackbird Red Age: 38 Posts: 26
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For me it has to be Bridgestone, plenty of feedback
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09-07-2008, 12:59 AM
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#222 | Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinios Bike(s): 1999 CBR1100XX and 1988 CBR1000F Stock & excellent Posts: 1,768
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I like my bridgestones too.
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09-07-2008, 5:33 PM
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#223 | Join Date: Jun 03 2008 Location: England Bike(s): Modifed 1197cc Bird on carbs and 900 Fireblade Posts: 173
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Pilot sports on project 1200. Bt016's on my blade
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09-10-2008, 10:59 AM
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#224 | | Need 4 speed = Food 4 thought! Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Bike(s): Red CBR1100XX 1999 + silver CBR1100XX 2001 Age: 45 Posts: 294
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Originally Posted by CBRRich I've read though all the postings on tires (great info by the way) there is one piece of "data" that might be really helpful. Michelin boasts on thier website the Pilot Road 2 finished First in "Wet grip and durability testing was performed in 2006 by CERM (Centre d’Essais Routiers Mécaniques)" supposedly dsome credible unbiased test organization.
What about the rest of the catagories? Does anyone know how to get the complete results of this report (hopefully in English)? I'd be interested inknowing how they fared inother catagories against the others. | These figures are correct. Even the Dunlop sales-person here in Holland told me that the MPR2 was the best in the rain. On all other tests the Dunlop Roadsmart performed better. The German testers also agree on that.
The Bridgestones BT021 were the worst in the rain (no surprise).
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09-10-2008, 11:49 AM
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#225 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 340
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Originally Posted by Helvet These figures are correct. Even the Dunlop sales-person here in Holland told me that the MPR2 was the best in the rain. On all other tests the Dunlop Roadsmart performed better. The German testers also agree on that.
The Bridgestones BT021 were the worst in the rain (no surprise). | I find it hard to believe that you would actually ride your Blackbird in the rain.
If it was to rain here in So Cal, my motorcyles get locked up in the garage until the rain has past and the streets are dry & clean.
Daredevils ride in the rain here in So Cal and I am not a daredevil, there is nothing that can make my motorcycles get wet except a sponge full of soapy water and then a garden hose to rinse her off. I even scrub my PR2ct tires with soap and scrub brush until they are clean.
Dunlop tires have a bad rep as far as I am concerned, "Stick good on dry roads for 1500-2000 miles then throw them away for a new pair". The same with Metzler & Pirelli.
I personally do not like to change tires all that much on my own motorcycles because I have had to change tires on customer's bikes for so many years. Those years have taught me the Michelin tires are the best bang for the buck.
Just stick with Michelin and you cannot go wrong. |
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09-11-2008, 8:44 AM
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#226 | | Need 4 speed = Food 4 thought! Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Bike(s): Red CBR1100XX 1999 + silver CBR1100XX 2001 Age: 45 Posts: 294
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Originally Posted by fasterspider I find it hard to believe that you would actually ride your Blackbird in the rain. | Sorry to disappoint you....
Here we ride untill the roads get icey.... If we would only ride in dry and warm weather we would lose about 250-300 days a year......
Michelin is good, but the new Dunlops really are better for our heavy bikes. Most motorcyclemagazines do agree (if they test with heavier bikes).
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09-11-2008, 9:30 AM
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#227 | Join Date: Oct 20 2006 Location: Perth Western Australia Bike(s): 98 Titanium CBR1100 XX Superblackbird Posts: 330
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Originally Posted by fasterspider I find it hard to believe that you would actually ride your Blackbird in the rain.
Just stick with Michelin and you cannot go wrong.  | Quote:
Originally Posted by Helvet Sorry to disappoint you....
Here we ride until the roads get icey.... If we would only ride in dry and warm weather we would lose about 250-300 days a year......
Michelin is good, but the new Dunlops really are better for our heavy bikes. Most motorcycle magazines do agree (if they test with heavier bikes). | Have to agree with Helvet there as I ride my BB almost all year round here in West Australia, there have been only a handful of days I didn't ride to work and that was when I got up in the middle of winter and it was belting down rain and cold 
If it was going to rain on the way home or was just a bit damp on the roads I still rode with some wet weather gear on
I still love the PPf & PR2r though |
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09-11-2008, 12:43 PM
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#228 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 340
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Originally Posted by Helvet Sorry to disappoint you....
Here we ride untill the roads get icey.... If we would only ride in dry and warm weather we would lose about 250-300 days a year......
Michelin is good, but the new Dunlops really are better for our heavy bikes. Most motorcyclemagazines do agree (if they test with heavier bikes). | I could never live in a place that has so much precipitation, that was why I left little ole Long Island, New York for Sunny Southern California. We get 345 days of sunshine a year and my bike has to stay parked for 20 days of rain. Big deal, I can handle a couple of days with no riding.
I cannot handle how the roads turn into rivers here when it does rain and the cagers who do not know how to drive in the dry attempt to drive in the rain. It is just too dangerous to ride a motorcycle in the rain in So Cal.
Dunlop tires have no treadlife, I do not care what any magazine says. I go on personal and professional experience. I see guys running Dunlops and complaining that they do not last more than 1500-2000 miles.
It may well be a good 1500-2000 miles but, that is just a couple of weeks riding to me.
Changing tires on my own bikes does not put money in my pocket, but, I will put Dunlop tires on a customer's bike because that does put money in my pocket since I will be changing those tires in short order, it puts more money in my pocket.
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09-11-2008, 12:45 PM
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#229 | Join Date: Sep 07 2008 Location: Port Moody BC Bike(s): '97 XX RS3 Slip ons, Corbin seat, K&N w Stage 1 Posts: 48
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Thoughts on tire choice of one of the 3 guys as I am getting tirred of reading lol,
Bridgestone BT021 - $240 US shipped
Prelli Diablo Strada - $249 US shipped
Metzeler Roadtec Z6 - $269 shipped
I wanna keep purchase price under $300 US so the Michelin Pilot Road 2CT weren't opted for. I will be mostly touring so I want mileage with 20% being aggressive fun riding, I imagine I will flatten the centre requiring replacing the rear before the sides are near being down to wear bar
If there is another option that could come in at $220 US mark shipped I will consider if a decent brand.....
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09-11-2008, 1:25 PM
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#230 | Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinios Bike(s): 1999 CBR1100XX and 1988 CBR1000F Stock & excellent Posts: 1,768
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Bridgestone BT014s are under the $300 mark. I had the BT021's on and now have the BT014's. I hear this is what they are fitting on the ZX14's which is a bike with a similar mission.
I don't have enough miles on mine to know how well they will wear.
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09-11-2008, 7:57 PM
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#231 | Join Date: Oct 18 2006 Location: St Louis Mo. Bike(s): CBR11xx03 Age: 53 Posts: 124
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Originally Posted by CiscoKid Thoughts on tire choice of one of the 3 guys as I am getting tirred of reading lol,
Bridgestone BT021 - $240 US shipped
Prelli Diablo Strada - $249 US shipped
Metzeler Roadtec Z6 - $269 shipped
I wanna keep purchase price under $300 US so the Michelin Pilot Road 2CT weren't opted for. I will be mostly touring so I want mileage with 20% being aggressive fun riding, I imagine I will flatten the centre requiring replacing the rear before the sides are near being down to wear bar
If there is another option that could come in at $220 US mark shipped I will consider if a decent brand..... |
One thing I've learned over many years of wearing out tires is that when it comes to tires, you get what you pay for and you're not really saving any money by buying cheap tires. Just thought I'd throw that in.
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09-11-2008, 8:24 PM
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#232 | Join Date: Sep 07 2008 Location: Port Moody BC Bike(s): '97 XX RS3 Slip ons, Corbin seat, K&N w Stage 1 Posts: 48
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Originally Posted by xxxron One thing I've learned over many years of wearing out tires is that when it comes to tires, you get what you pay for and you're not really saving any money by buying cheap tires. Just thought I'd throw that in. | I agree with you to a degree but I have been riding long enough and have found that I can go buy the best for $$'s only to find that a step down would have saved me cash and given me 85-90% what the tires costing 75-100 more would do.
Sure the Michelin tires look good but for me they are not worth the extra dough, I will not benefit from it with the type of riding I know I will be doing. I am about performance/value for the buck.
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09-12-2008, 1:41 AM
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#233 | Join Date: Aug 22 2008 Location: Boston, MA Bike(s): 2003 CBRXX Black, 1993 CBR1000F Posts: 16
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Thanks for the feedback. I think everyone's personal experiance is valuable but I still would like to see the complete test done by CERM (or any other independant testing orgainzation is it exists). Somehow getting professional riders to ride different tires, back to back, on the same bike, on the same track with sophisticated telemtry under wet and dry conditions is probably the only way to get somewhat genuine comparitive data.
Also it would be great to see the data insteatd of just the ranking. If the entire range of dry braking for say 10 tested tires is 5 feet from best to worst, then it would not matter which one you choose.
Anyone have access to the complete test by CERM that Michilin quotes or any other test results?
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09-17-2008, 6:59 PM
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#234 | Join Date: Feb 05 2008 Location: North Carolina Bike(s): 99 xx Posts: 55
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I have been running mich. roadies. But I will give metzeler touring tires next.
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