I didnt have the problem on the track, Im running a 1.8 60ft with no burnout with eaither the 180 or the 190, the problem was on the street when Im in the gas and the tire is spinning. Even doing a wheelie the tire was spinning

I have owned many street bikes and only one time have I had a spinning tire in a wheelie and only one other time have I seen a bike do a wheelie and spin the tire... mine was on my 87 CBR1000F with stock bias ply tire 140, and the other was a katana 600 with a gsxr1100 air cooled motor with a 1218 kit 50hp shot of nos and a swingarm stretched 8 inches.... so to get back to the article ....And, contrary to the popular myth that the wider tire puts down a bigger footprint and gives more traction, we felt no improvement in that ..... so what you said about the artice agreeing with you was incorrect, now maybe for christmas this year I will not only send you a nice sticky 180 tire but also hooked on phonics! As far as a STOCK f4i I never claimed stock f4i but you can take any 600 bike, throw some NOS on it, stretch, strap, and gear it and im pretty sure it will smoke just about any XX out there mostly due to the fact that the xx is a heavy pig

Originally Posted by cbrbear

I have owned many street bikes and only one time have I had a spinning tire in a wheelie and only one other time have I seen a bike do a wheelie and spin the tire... mine was on my 87 CBR1000F with stock bias ply tire 140, and the other was a katana 600 with a gsxr1100 air cooled motor with a 1218 kit 50hp shot of nos and a swingarm stretched 8 inches.... so to get back to the article ....And, contrary to the popular myth that the wider tire puts down a bigger footprint and gives more traction, we felt no improvement in that ..... so what you said about the artice agreeing with you was incorrect, now maybe for christmas this year I will not only send you a nice sticky 180 tire but also hooked on phonics! As far as a STOCK f4i I never claimed stock f4i but you can take any 600 bike, throw some NOS on it, stretch, strap, and gear it and im pretty sure it will smoke just about any XX out there mostly due to the fact that the xx is a heavy pig

Yessir the Bird may be heavy but is sure is fun woopin on the GSXR1000s and ZX14s and pretty much everything else at the track with just a power commander and some slip-ons.

I took the course on huked on foniks and it werked fer me!!!!!!

Let's see......Stretch the Bird, put NOS on her, gear her, and strap her down what would she do? Smoke any damn 600 out there that's for sure.

180 is cool man! Learn to like it!!

or the 190 and 200

Nothing like modding out a 600 to try to keep up with me. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And for someone with a xx you sure do like your 600s or like I call them Bitch bikes. Why stop with the nos why not put a turbo on it right away. Hell why stop there lets just slap in a smallblock chevy motor that will make it keep up with me, then you can put some nos on that to help it along

Hi, I have a 200 on the back of my bike and it is a shinko lets face it in savannah ga the only twistie's we have is getting I 16 or 95 the traction works fine with it and it looks good on my bike to many people think you half to stay stock or a purest I think them guys should get a life I guess they only have sex in a missionary position staying by the book and all. I also have a f41 has a bunch of work on it and it can't touch my bird the R1 well if it wasn't for playing with the sprockets it would get me but not right now it isn't.

Chuck

This has turned into one entertaining thread. What's that saying about helmets. Let those who ride decide. Might work for this conversation about tire sizes. I'm not entirely sure though if I agree with the article cbrbear linked entirely. In my own personal experience I got more bite and quicker timed starts at the strip with the larger tire. The other thing that comes to mind is that I can't recall ever seeing a skinny slick. Now on the other hand. I can see the physical properties that would be at play when mounting a bigger tire which is discussed in the article. I do see how it would change the profile of the tire and could alter the handling aspect of the bike. I don't race my bikes anymore so for me, for the type of riding that I do these day I prefer the stock set up.

its just a placebo, if it makes you feel better then keep taking it. As far as a 600 being a "bitch bike" well not all of us have to compensate and I have a variety of bikes and my most favorite to ride is the sv650! Oh and the slicks, arent they usually umm flat not concave, or is it convex I can never remember its like stalagtite or stalagmite... neways totally different unless your talking slicks for a race track not drag strip... but hey twist and go and when you do it on the streets hope you dont end up like me... Took a dumb bitch in a ford explorer running a red light to teach me my lesson about why drag racing on the street isnt fun. Oh and I never said you had to stay stock I just said get a wider rim like me 6" dymag that way you can properly run a wider tire 190-200 and get a wider contact patch and actually get more grip! As far as the whole sex thing goes...whats missionary....lol no you dont need to explain I know what it is just dont ever do it.

Sucks to see the hurricane all messed up

those are photos from june of 99... it was one of 3 hurricanes I owned at the time and it totaled out a 1998 Ford explorer xlt eddie bauer edition

outlaw as much as i hate to say it cuz the fatter tire does look sweet, its not the increased tire size that is preventing the spinning. if you were to actually measure the contact patch difference between a 180 and 190 there is about a 2-3mm difference. there are two reasons your tire is no longer spinning #1 and this is the better of the two you bought a stickier compound tire. and #2 this one your not gonna like so brace yourself....the fatter tire has made your bike slower. a 190 compared to a 180 weighs somewhere between 1 to 1.5 pounds heavier, and you put that on the outmost edge of the wheel. if you were going for looks then dont worry the 190 definatly is sweet, i myself was running a 200 on my old 929. but if you were just looking to solve the spinning problem with out giving up some of your top end speed at the track you should have bought a sticky 180.
my 929 times with the stock 190 on it were between 10.3-10.5 @ 135-137mph. and with the 200 on they slowed to 10.4-10.6's @ 131-134 mph. wouldnt warn you if it wasnt a truth i myself have previously discovered

and by the way when you going up to the track next still gotta try out my 600....just recently opened my own business so been pretty busy but i need to bring a toy out and play

Im hopeing to hit Byron at the end of Sept. everythings good as long as I dont need leather pants for the run

xx2wheeling.... You are correct but different tires weigh in at different values. It is possible to get a 200 that weighs less then a 190 depending upon brand and model of tire although generally a larger tire will weigh more as you point out. You are correct in that adding weight to the tires/wheels is the worst place to add weight. Rotational mass is harder to overcome then if you slapped that extra weight on the engine of chassis. If you were to add weight to a wheel (and no one would really want to add weight) it is better to add it closest to the hub area as opposed to the rim area where overcoming the rotational mass becomes even more difficult. The contact patch may not be all that signifigant as you mention and even less so if mounted on rims that were designed for a smaller tire. When I was younger and used to race I went to a bigger lighter wheel and a bigger lighter rear tire. Tire wore like $h!t but I didn't care since I was mostly using it to race. It did give me a lighter set up with more contact patch area and better times at the track.

Oh by the way what kind of business did you start?