Anyone using a 200 rear tire?

cbrbear · 08-19-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverBrd

I think guys instead of arguing the point is what we all want and like for our bikes. What one may like another won't.
If you are a twisty kind of guy this probably wouldn't be a good idea but if you are a straightliner like myself or Outlaw this isn't a bad idea at all. It seems to be working regardless of what the manufacturer states and besides they make these statements to protect themselves. It's up to us to figure these extra mods out if they work or not.

I like it!!

I think the point trying to be made is the fact that handling is affected. Running a wider tire will give you a flatter surface thus more contact patch for straight line, but claiming handling isnt affected by doing this well thats just absurd... its not an argument its simply put it does affect the bike, and drag racing what psi do you run in the tire????? I know when I drag I dont run the manufacture recommended pressure of 36-42psi and try taking a corner with only 10-12 psi in the back tire... might as well just go get a 180 or 190 car tire and put it in the rear, you will get great traction and you wont even need a kick stand so thats like 1.2 lbs so that should increase your 1/4 times by .0001

SilverBrd · 08-19-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrbear

I think the point trying to be made is the fact that handling is affected. Running a wider tire will give you a flatter surface thus more contact patch for straight line, but claiming handling isnt affected by doing this well thats just absurd... its not an argument its simply put it does affect the bike, and drag racing what psi do you run in the tire????? I know when I drag I dont run the manufacture recommended pressure of 36-42psi and try taking a corner with only 10-12 psi in the back tire... might as well just go get a 180 or 190 car tire and put it in the rear, you will get great traction and you wont even need a kick stand so thats like 1.2 lbs so that should increase your 1/4 times by .0001

I actually run with standard air pressure on my rear when I drag race. Track is so damn sticky and it isnt even necessry to do a burn out if that tells you anything.
I like the look of the 190 and it seems it should be the tire for the Bird in respect to the bike in size.

I still like it and besides, handling for the Bird isn't that great anyways.

outlawgibbs · 08-20-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverBrd

I actually run with standard air pressure on my rear when I drag race. Track is so damn sticky and it isnt even necessry to do a burn out if that tells you anything.
I like the look of the 190 and it seems it should be the tire for the Bird in respect to the bike in size.

I still like it and besides, handling for the Bird isn't that great anyways.

cbrbear · 08-20-2008, 12:30 AM

Choosing the right tire size for your motorcycle rims - Sport Rider

argue with them and the MANY other engineers who get paid millions to figure this stuff out........

and yes the birds stock handling isnt that great so WHY would you want to make it worse......

outlawgibbs · 08-20-2008, 12:37 AM

If I wanted a track bike that can handle I would have bought a 1000rr and left the 180 tire on it, But I bought a bird that can eat that tire up so I put a sticky 190 on it and now I dont have a problem

Strek · 08-20-2008, 7:45 AM

Saying the bird is not a good handling bike is a relative and subjective statement. Compared to what? Compared to other so called sport tourers like the Busa or the ZX14 and I'll take the bird. Compared to a Duc 1098 or a Honda 1000RR different story. Then I'll go with one of those. Compared to an FJR, BMW 1200S, Concours or an ST1300 and I'll take the bird. I think the darn thing handles pretty darn good for a bike in this class. With that being said if I was going to the twisties every day and my intent was to carve corners I'd be looking for a 1000RR. I haven't ridden the larger tires like Outlawgibbs and SilverBrd on my bird so I don't have a comparison there to base a comment on. My bother and I used to do a fair amount of drag racing when we were younger. He always went up a tire size but did front and back.
First thing he says to me when he sees my bird is when am I going to some bigger tires. I've read other articles like the one that cbrbear linked to so I personally would be reluctant to do it and I don't drag race the bird so for me I'll stay where I'm at. In our drag racing days our experience was that we were able to get better launches. This was even more true when street racing where you didn't always get ideal conditions for quick launches. Chicago has a pretty active street racing scene. When I was younger street racing helped to finance the costs of mods.

outlawgibbs · 08-20-2008, 11:06 AM

Strek, when ever you want to test out a fatty just bring yourself upstate and jump on my bird and see if you can tell the difference/

cbrbear · 08-20-2008, 4:19 PM

theres always one..... and if you paid any attention to the article it was done on a F4i which is not a track bike, it is a 600 class sport tourer...

outlawgibbs · 08-21-2008, 12:18 AM

Sorry I didnt read the article cause I dont need someone telling me what they think is right or wrong. I needed a wider tire on my xx and I got what my dealer said was the right choise. And to put a wider tire on a 600 is like trying to make a escort look cool. Its just a waist of time.

cbrbear · 08-21-2008, 1:11 AM

actually any reputable dealer will not put a different size tire than stock on a bike due to liability..... and I will agree you may have put a stickier compound tire on the bike but there are MANY engineers that will tell you going wider does not and will not and cannot improve grip... and putting a 190 on a 600CC bike has nothing to do with a car and that bike probably puts a faster 1/4 than your XX

outlawgibbs · 08-21-2008, 1:29 AM

There is no stock 600 f4i around that is going to beat me in the 1/4 and if you think different then bring that fu*ker out and put your money where your mouth is. And your fancy article proved my point so you should go back and read it again. I need a fatter tire for better traction and I got that putting a 190 on. I do not race my blackbird on a road course it is set up for the 1/4 mile and handles great on the street with my 190 tire IF I WANTED A BIKE TO GO AROUND CORNERS I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT A BLACKBIRD I WOULD HAVE KEPT MY 600RR WITH ITS 180 TIRE

SilverBrd · 08-21-2008, 4:38 AM

This is getting good!!!!

SilverBrd · 08-21-2008, 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrbear

actually any reputable dealer will not put a different size tire than stock on a bike due to liability..... and I will agree you may have put a stickier compound tire on the bike but there are MANY engineers that will tell you going wider does not and will not and cannot improve grip... and putting a 190 on a 600CC bike has nothing to do with a car and that bike probably puts a faster 1/4 than your XX

Yes sir they will if you go up one or down one in size

Helvet · 08-21-2008, 6:09 AM

The next problem you encounter will be a lot less choice in available tires....
In 200 width you can choose between a few old tires (BT 014, AV60 Diablo), and the Metzeler Sportec M-3, and Dunlop Qualifier.

Beondwacko · 08-21-2008, 8:36 AM

Outlaw,

What's with these traction problems you claim? I've been able to squeeze out a 1.67 60' time on a pilot road with 38 psi of air and no burnout. No traction problems there. You must be running on some slick surfaces.

outlawgibbs · 08-21-2008, 10:59 AM

I didnt have the problem on the track, Im running a 1.8 60ft with no burnout with eaither the 180 or the 190, the problem was on the street when Im in the gas and the tire is spinning. Even doing a wheelie the tire was spinning

cbrbear · 08-21-2008, 6:24 PM

I have owned many street bikes and only one time have I had a spinning tire in a wheelie and only one other time have I seen a bike do a wheelie and spin the tire... mine was on my 87 CBR1000F with stock bias ply tire 140, and the other was a katana 600 with a gsxr1100 air cooled motor with a 1218 kit 50hp shot of nos and a swingarm stretched 8 inches.... so to get back to the article ....And, contrary to the popular myth that the wider tire puts down a bigger footprint and gives more traction, we felt no improvement in that ..... so what you said about the artice agreeing with you was incorrect, now maybe for christmas this year I will not only send you a nice sticky 180 tire but also hooked on phonics! As far as a STOCK f4i I never claimed stock f4i but you can take any 600 bike, throw some NOS on it, stretch, strap, and gear it and im pretty sure it will smoke just about any XX out there mostly due to the fact that the xx is a heavy pig

SilverBrd · 08-22-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cbrbear

I have owned many street bikes and only one time have I had a spinning tire in a wheelie and only one other time have I seen a bike do a wheelie and spin the tire... mine was on my 87 CBR1000F with stock bias ply tire 140, and the other was a katana 600 with a gsxr1100 air cooled motor with a 1218 kit 50hp shot of nos and a swingarm stretched 8 inches.... so to get back to the article ....And, contrary to the popular myth that the wider tire puts down a bigger footprint and gives more traction, we felt no improvement in that ..... so what you said about the artice agreeing with you was incorrect, now maybe for christmas this year I will not only send you a nice sticky 180 tire but also hooked on phonics! As far as a STOCK f4i I never claimed stock f4i but you can take any 600 bike, throw some NOS on it, stretch, strap, and gear it and im pretty sure it will smoke just about any XX out there mostly due to the fact that the xx is a heavy pig

Yessir the Bird may be heavy but is sure is fun woopin on the GSXR1000s and ZX14s and pretty much everything else at the track with just a power commander and some slip-ons.

I took the course on huked on foniks and it werked fer me!!!!!!

Let's see......Stretch the Bird, put NOS on her, gear her, and strap her down what would she do? Smoke any damn 600 out there that's for sure.

180 is cool man! Learn to like it!!

SilverBrd · 08-22-2008, 12:20 AM

or the 190 and 200

outlawgibbs · 08-22-2008, 12:34 AM

Nothing like modding out a 600 to try to keep up with me. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And for someone with a xx you sure do like your 600s or like I call them Bitch bikes. Why stop with the nos why not put a turbo on it right away. Hell why stop there lets just slap in a smallblock chevy motor that will make it keep up with me, then you can put some nos on that to help it along

chuckfastbird · 08-22-2008, 12:57 AM

Hi, I have a 200 on the back of my bike and it is a shinko lets face it in savannah ga the only twistie's we have is getting I 16 or 95 the traction works fine with it and it looks good on my bike to many people think you half to stay stock or a purest I think them guys should get a life I guess they only have sex in a missionary position staying by the book and all. I also have a f41 has a bunch of work on it and it can't touch my bird the R1 well if it wasn't for playing with the sprockets it would get me but not right now it isn't.

Chuck

Strek · 08-22-2008, 1:04 AM

This has turned into one entertaining thread. What's that saying about helmets. Let those who ride decide. Might work for this conversation about tire sizes. I'm not entirely sure though if I agree with the article cbrbear linked entirely. In my own personal experience I got more bite and quicker timed starts at the strip with the larger tire. The other thing that comes to mind is that I can't recall ever seeing a skinny slick. Now on the other hand. I can see the physical properties that would be at play when mounting a bigger tire which is discussed in the article. I do see how it would change the profile of the tire and could alter the handling aspect of the bike. I don't race my bikes anymore so for me, for the type of riding that I do these day I prefer the stock set up.

cbrbear · 08-22-2008, 11:17 AM

its just a placebo, if it makes you feel better then keep taking it. As far as a 600 being a "bitch bike" well not all of us have to compensate and I have a variety of bikes and my most favorite to ride is the sv650! Oh and the slicks, arent they usually umm flat not concave, or is it convex I can never remember its like stalagtite or stalagmite... neways totally different unless your talking slicks for a race track not drag strip... but hey twist and go and when you do it on the streets hope you dont end up like me... Took a dumb bitch in a ford explorer running a red light to teach me my lesson about why drag racing on the street isnt fun. Oh and I never said you had to stay stock I just said get a wider rim like me 6" dymag that way you can properly run a wider tire 190-200 and get a wider contact patch and actually get more grip! As far as the whole sex thing goes...whats missionary....lol no you dont need to explain I know what it is just dont ever do it.