Brembo brake conversion kits

GrahamcUK · 07-10-2008, 3:31 PM

Ref the disc , to the best of my knowledge all blackbirds 97-07 used the same disc and pads. Are you looking for 4 pots or 6 pots. If your looking at 4 pots I wouldn't go with the 40mm brembos, to much force on to smaller area. Blackbird are a lot heavyer than 748/996 , the bigger the hole centra the better up to a point. After talk to my mate he thinks it would be possible to make the brackets with 1 hole slotted to accept 60mm to 64mm calipers. As long as the offset was the same. What you think??
Cheers Graham

steveb · 07-10-2008, 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamcUK

Ref the disc , to the best of my knowledge all blackbirds 97-07 used the same disc and pads. Are you looking for 4 pots or 6 pots. If your looking at 4 pots I wouldn't go with the 40mm brembos, to much force on to smaller area. Blackbird are a lot heavier than 748/996 , the bigger the hole centre the better up to a point. After talk to my mate he thinks it would be possible to make the brackets with 1 hole slotted to accept 60mm to 64mm calipers. As long as the offset was the same. What you think??
Cheers Graham

I kind of agree about the forces going through a smaller mounting area but, I'm not an engineer so what do I really know???? As for the weight issue - I totally agree, hence my leaning towards Hayabusa / ZX9R kind of calipers rather than RS250 ones.

To be honest I'm not that bothered about 4 or 6 pots, I imagine that they're much of a muchness - why else would factories use one type then the other and back again? Fashion I reckon!

The slotted bracket idea sounds great, if the pad / disc relationship remains the same it'd give more choice.

Again though the crucial question - how soon? Wreckless is booked in with his fella on 18th August, if nothing comes from this attempt that'd be my back up plan but, of course I'd also need a booking as we aren't planning on using the same calipers - Wreckless is going for 8 pots I believe!!

Keep the info coming, you're doing a great job, ironing out all my errors and crystallising my own needs nicely, hopefully helping other make their choices too.

Thanks
Steve

GrahamcUK · 07-11-2008, 5:36 PM

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! any one interested please say or this is dead in the water and I'll just go back to my project and just design and machine bits for my projects. Sorry Steve I tried, If you need any help or info I will be glad to help.
Cheers Graham

Wreckless · 07-11-2008, 5:49 PM

Graham,
I think I suggested this earlier, but have you tried punting this out further afield? Might help to scratch together a few more interested parties. Try pm'ing Helvet, he seems to run the Dutch equivalent of Jaws.

GrahamcUK · 07-11-2008, 6:09 PM

Hi Wreckless , In the last week I have phone, E-mail and talk to dozens of people. It seem that most people talk about modifying there Bird but few have the balls to get the spanner out, I have spent 100's of hour and thousands of pounds on my project and I wanted to past some of what I have made and learned on to others but you and Steve seem to be the only ones who are seriour. I wish you two the very best of luck with your projects and if either of you are ever in Devon there's a brew and a chat to be had at my workshop and a bloody good ale to be had if you can crash the night.
Cheers Graham

Wreckless · 07-11-2008, 7:52 PM

Thanks Graham! Trouble is the 'bird these days seems to be the bike of choice of the boring old dayglo farts brigade whose idea of modifications is a pipe-holder, satnav and Hondastyle colostomy bag!! Ah, well......

What part of Devon are you in? I used to go to school near Bideford

Nutter67 · 07-12-2008, 4:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreckless

Trouble is the 'bird these days seems to be the bike of choice of the boring old dayglo farts brigade whose idea of modifications is a pipe-holder, satnav and Hondastyle colostomy bag!!

Excuse me for having kids. If our next child wasn't due in 8 weeks, then maybe I would have the wareagle fairing, with burnt orange paint and blood red logos, upgraded suspension and brakes, and a spare fairing and wheels for track days.

But since I'm just one of these boring old dayglo farts with a very young family, I guess I just have to save my spare change and buy a set of Michelin PR2CT's for her and dream of what other stupid and nonsensical parts I can waste my money on.

GrahamcUK · 07-12-2008, 6:29 AM

Ok Nutter67 family comes first. But I have 3 teenage girls and 2 boys in there 20's so I know what having no money is all about. It's only in the last few years that I have been able to put in to practise what has taken me 44 years to learn. But burnt orange paint and blood red logos come on mate there are limits!!!!!!!!!!

Nutter67 · 07-12-2008, 9:30 AM

Sorry Graham, no offence meant.

I just dont like to be labelled as the "boring old dayglo farts brigade whose idea of modifications is a pipe-holder, satnav and Hondastyle colostomy bag" when the only mods I have made are either for necessity or function. If there are people who can afford to mod the bird with all the performance goodies they can, then all power to them. If you want to bling your bike to the crap, then it's your money. I just dont like people bagging those of us who mod our bikes only when the money allows.

I am from an engineering background, and I really appreciate the amount of work that you have put into your 1200 project, and I can appreciate the amount of time you have spent raising your family. Now they are grown and you can devote more time to other things.

P.S. I do have a GPS hooked up on my bike - I need it for work.

steveb · 07-12-2008, 9:36 AM

As they say - "one man's meat is another man's poison"

We aren't all the same that's for sure, but, I'd have imagined that even on a conservative site such as this there would have been more interest in upgrading the brakes - there are always folk posting about the rear brake sticking on or trouble with the usually simple task of bleeding brakes or the generally over-complicated nature of the LBS/CBS.

I don't have money to burn, just look at the picture of my bike for proof of that!! But, I do have a desire to improve the only part of the whole bike I see as flawed and am grateful to Graham for trying to get something done for his online mates at a price which isn't focused on making him rich.

It's just a pity that there wasn't enough interest to make it work but, I for one would like to thank him for trying - Cheers Graham, you did your best

CanadianBird · 07-12-2008, 10:47 AM

SteveB, you think the most flawed aspect of the Bird is the braking? I think it's the suspension. Brake upgrades, when I look at the dosh I've put into my Bird, are just too expensive. But, I totally agree, Graham has done an awsome job, my hat's off to him. I might even be a bit "jealous" when he posts up a finished Bird.

steveb · 07-12-2008, 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianBird

SteveB, you think the most flawed aspect of the Bird is the braking? I think it's the suspension.

I had the suspension sorted winter 2006/7 so, yes, the next job has to be the brakes.

The suspension was way easier to sort out as there are specialists who sell the rear shock and rebuild / re-valve the forks, both of which were tailored to my lightweight build (160lbs kitted up) without too much trouble.

I guess it comes down to the market, if people want to buy a product someone will develop it, Graham's attempt to produce / market a brake kit shows that on the forum most people don't want his product, which for me at least is disappointing but, sadly no big surprise.

Cheers
Steve

Nutter67 · 07-13-2008, 2:52 AM

It is not always a case of "not wanting", but quite often a case of priorities.

I would love better brakes on the bird. Coming into turn one at Broadford (Oz) at 200kmh and missing my braking marker means completely stuffing the corner up and letting the lighter bikes past.

GrahamcUK · 07-13-2008, 4:28 AM

Wrecless I live in Exeter.
Thanks for all the support guy perhaps if I can get some money behind me I'll go it alone and develope some of the produces anyway. Moneys tight this year as I am get married in 4 weeks ( 3rd time lucky I hope ) But when I get back from honey moon in September I will take another look at things. Sorry Steve and Wreckless I know thats to late for you two.
Cheers G

paddysteel7 · 07-21-2008, 9:21 AM

This Is just for information.
I have a pair of 6 pot Pretech calipers (take standard ebc pads 1 set per caliper)with 65mm hole centres fitted on to TSR brackets with original master cylinder.
Calipers £285 each

steveb · 07-21-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by paddysteel7

This Is just for information.
I have a pair of 6 pot Pretech calipers (take standard ebc pads 1 set per caliper)with 65mm hole centres fitted on to TSR brackets with original master cylinder.
Calipers £285 each

Hiya Paddysteel7

I was so excited to read your post, thought you were selling but, on second reading it seems you're just telling us all that you've got what we (well, me and Wreckless anyway) want? Bugger!!

Don't suppose you'd like to loan them out so we can have the brackets copied would you? Would save a hell of a lot of time working out distances and stuff if all the machinist had to do was replicate them? Can't you tell I know nothing about machining things???? Don't suppose it's quite that easy but, it must be easier if there's something to copy from surely??
Cheers
Steve
Ps
Sorry about the begging pm, I was excited, now I'm just deflated

paddysteel7 · 07-21-2008, 12:46 PM

Here are the pics

steveb · 07-21-2008, 2:37 PM

Paddy,
They are just the job, calipers and brackets, lovely match

Where did you buy the brackets? Direct from TSR or in the UK?
Cheers
Steve

macrozan · 09-01-2008, 9:45 PM

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Originally Posted by steveb

So that makes 3 interested parties then?

Is it safe to say this isn't gonna be a "runner" as they say Graham?

Not that I'm trying to rush things along but, if it's not going to happen I need to be making other plans for getting some brackets made and whilst I appreciate that I'm not the only person showing interest I'd have thought that if others are going into colour options before you've actually agreed to make brackets / supply calipers I might be waiting a long time for a single pair of brackets.

Cheers
Steve

count me in mate, if the project is still alive

GrahamcUK · 09-02-2008, 6:10 PM

Sorry mate that idea is dead in the water at this time. I tried but there was not enough interest to make bracket at a ressonable cost. Anyway I'm going down the radial route for project 1200. I can get brackets from the States to fit radials to my SP1 forks.
Cheers Graham

macrozan · 09-02-2008, 9:27 PM

well, cheers for trying anyway, Graham

cbrbear · 09-04-2008, 1:20 AM

I just want the rear bracket, I have everything else already!

Wreckless · 09-04-2008, 6:50 AM

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I just want the rear bracket, I have everything else already!

Hi Cbrbear,

I posted an update about that for you on B.I.R.D! Looking at mid October at the moment.

Regards,

Wreckless

steveb · 09-04-2008, 7:11 PM

I've followed your trail onto BIRD a few days too late haven't I Wreckless - that's the story of my year so far, wrong place at the wrong time