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    Balance weights fell off

    I noticed that the tape on the rear tire balancing weights had fallen off and were laying on the garage floor.

    The weights were 1 1/4 oz and the tire now has around 9,000 miles on it. Since the tread is 3/32nds and I'll be replacing it in the next 1,000 miles or so.

    After 9,000 miles of wear, the balance probably had changed and made the weights of little value anyway so... should I even care that the weights fell off?

    The tire is an Avon AV46 FWIW
    Last edited by blkbrdrydr; 07-24-2007 at 5:11 PM.
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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Probably only if you notice enough vibration from the wheel to concern you. For me, that 1000mi is about 1-2 weeks riding, so unless it was bad enough to be annoying, I wouldn't bother.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Same thing happened to me last tire change, I rode it all the way to the end that way with no ill effects.
    Is this the spot where I am supposed list all the bikes I have ever owned? Or maybe just all the farkles I have on the one I own now???

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    At the track we don't even balance most of our tires. If the vibrations aren't that bad the only benefit from balancing is tire life and you say yours is almost at its end anyways.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    After playing with my wheel balancer on the last couple of tire changes, I have found that much of the imbalance is with the wheels, brake disks, and sprocket assemblies, rather than the tires themselves. That said, the rear Avons tend to have a rubber bulge inside that requires more balance weight than Michelin Pilot Roads, which require almost none. IMHO, I would think that interior bulge on the Avon would be just as unbalanced at the end of it's tread life as it was at the first.

    Edited to add: I've also found that using some Prep-All Wax and Grease Remover (can be found in the Wal Mart auto paint department) on the wheel prior to permanently placing the stick-on weights will make them stick MUCH better.
    Last edited by FiXXation; 07-24-2007 at 3:00 PM.
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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Quote Originally Posted by FiXXation View Post
    After playing with my wheel balancer on the last couple of tire changes, I have found that much of the imbalance is with the wheels, brake disks, and sprocket assemblies, rather than the tires themselves. That said, the rear Avons tend to have a rubber bulge inside that requires more balance weight than Michelin Pilot Roads, which require almost none. IMHO, I would think that interior bulge on the Avon would be just as unbalanced at the end of it's tread life as it was at the first.
    After considering that 1 1/4 oz of weight had been on the rim, I decided to stick new ones back on for the last 1,000 miles or so of tire wear.
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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Do you still use led for the weights in the USA?
    Here in Europe we are no longer allowed to use led, and we had to switch to lighter (thus larger) metals. We now use Zink (ZN), the same weight is about three times as big. This is for enviromental reasons.
    The problem is that it uses a lot of space on the rims, and will not fit smaller rims with a ridge on the outer side.....
    Last edited by Helvet; 07-26-2007 at 4:48 AM.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Do you still use lead for the weights in the USA?
    Shhhhh! I hope no tree huggers see your post.

    Yes, we can still use lead here. I can't even imagine trying to balance our big SUV and pickup tires with something less dense. But some at least recycle the used lead weights and make bullets out of them.
    No bugs were harmed in the making of my motorcycle ride memories; they only got the snot knocked out of them.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Even better, try depleted uranium, 2.5X denser than lead. Great for slimline dive weights!

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Quote Originally Posted by Banshee View Post
    Even better, try depleted uranium, 2.5X denser than lead. Great for slimline dive weights!
    What a great idea..... Can you please send me a few pounds?

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvet View Post
    Do you still use led for the weights in the USA?
    Here in Europe we are no longer allowed to use led, and we had to switch to lighter (thus larger) metals. We now use Zink (ZN), the same weight is about three times as big. This is for enviromental reasons.
    The problem is that it uses a lot of space on the rims, and will not fit smaller rims with a ridge on the outer side.....
    Shoot! I better grab a bunch of weights and horde them like gold!

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Had new tires put on a week ago and after 600 miles the front threw 1 of the weights (3/4 ounce) It's fine up to about 100mph and after that it begins to vibrate. I think sticky weights suck for this reason alone. They work fine on some cruiser but on a sportbike, forget it, use the weights that clip on to the center of the rim where the lip is. I'm going to the Honda dealer tomorrow and replacing the sticky weights with the real deal.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRider View Post
    Had new tires put on a week ago and after 600 miles the front threw 1 of the weights (3/4 ounce) It's fine up to about 100mph and after that it begins to vibrate. I think sticky weights suck for this reason alone. They work fine on some cruiser but on a sportbike, forget it, use the weights that clip on to the center of the rim where the lip is. I'm going to the Honda dealer tomorrow and replacing the sticky weights with the real deal.
    I've mounted thousands of these, and very rarely they came off.....
    Usually the customer used an agressive way of cleaning the rims, or has done something else to do this.
    Please note that of you only use the clip-weights you can only balance the static weight difference, and not the dynamic weight difference. The result on the front end could be a lot worse.....

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvet View Post
    I've mounted thousands of these, and very rarely they came off.....
    Usually the customer used an agressive way of cleaning the rims, or has done something else to do this.
    Please note that of you only use the clip-weights you can only balance the static weight difference, and not the dynamic weight difference. The result on the front end could be a lot worse.....
    Key term "rarely" which to me means they have done so. I have never had a clip weight come off in over 35 year of mounting and balancing tires. When these folks balanced the front tire they split 1.5 ounces and put a weight on either side but not directly across from one another and this is counterbalancing. I want the weight right in the center of the wheel and have found this to work best. I don't know many shops that have an electric spin balancer for bikes because they won't spend the money but it does make a difference. Yes, you can balance either static or dynamic on a single plain.

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    Re: Balance weights fell off

    "We don' need no stinking weights mang!"


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    I'll be putting this technology to work this week in prep for the June ride down South.


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