Suspension / Tires / Wheels / Brakes: Discussion of Honda CBR 1100 XX Super Blackbird Forks, Shocks, Chains, Sprockets, Tires, Wheels, and Brakes.
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Who is running different size tires?
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10-29-2006, 9:48 AM
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#1 | Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Bike(s): 03 XX, Plated 03 XR650R Posts: 1,200
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Who is running different size tires than the factory size tires?
What size tires are you running?
What did you have to do to run bigger size tires?
How much better does the bike handle?
Do the tires last longer (longer tire thread life) than the stock size tires?
Thx,
Aurora
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10-29-2006, 10:46 AM
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#2 | Join Date: Oct 16 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Bike(s): 2004 Blue Blackbird Posts: 808
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Originally Posted by Aurora Who is running different size tires than the factory size tires?
What size tires are you running? | Not very many people at all. Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora What did you have to do to run bigger size tires? | Get bigger rims. Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora How much better does the bike handle? | It doesn't! Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora Do the tires last longer (longer tire thread life) than the stock size tires? | No.
Seriously, don't do it. Some guys try it for the looks but it really doesn't pay in handling or cost. Don't put bigger tyres on the 5.5" rims. The 190 tyres only work on 6" rims without stuffing up the profile, and even then it stuffs up the geometry of the bike. Maybe if you fitted an adjustable offset/rake headstock and adjusted the swing arm pivot position you might get something.
I wouldn't do it! |
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10-29-2006, 11:09 AM
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#3 | | Faster than you think you are. Join Date: Oct 13 2006 Location: Nor Cal Bike(s): XX and RC's Posts: 304
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I have a 6.25 wheel and have ran 180s and 190s on it. The 190 handles fine but turns in alittle slower than the 180.
Theres pleanty of places to do research, do your homework if you are wanting to go bigger.
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10-29-2006, 6:20 PM
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#4 | Join Date: Oct 17 2006 Location: Madison, WI Bike(s): '01 CBR1100XX, '08 ZX-14 Posts: 270
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I run a 190 Pilot Power on my 6" Carrozziera rim and love it! BUT,,I also have the rear shock extended (Wilbers) and it handles great to me. Never ran it on a track though but the daily twistys seem just fine for my riding style (very small chicken strips) and longevity is slightly better.
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10-29-2006, 6:27 PM
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#5 | Join Date: Oct 17 2006 Location: Madison, WI Bike(s): '01 CBR1100XX, '08 ZX-14 Posts: 270
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10-29-2006, 6:54 PM
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#6 | | Blackbirdista Join Date: Oct 25 2006 Location: Italy Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100XX, 1974 CB750, 1996 Ducati 600SS Age: 36 Posts: 151
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What's the best tires you guys have run for mileage without sacrificing sportiness? I have Macadams on it now but it looks like I'll need to replace them in a couple of thou. I've seen the Pirelli Turismos at a local shop and they look pretty decent.
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10-30-2006, 9:31 AM
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#7 | Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Merriwa, Western Australia Bike(s): 06 Blackbird, Yoshi's, pyramid hugger. Posts: 164
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The general consensus on OZbird is Pilot Power front and Pilot Road rear. Great handling and fair mileage. Had 100x Macadams on 02 bird and thought they were pretty good, better than the shit OEM Dunlops they are fitting now.
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10-30-2006, 10:10 AM
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#8 | Join Date: Oct 17 2006 Location: Madison, WI Bike(s): '01 CBR1100XX, '08 ZX-14 Posts: 270
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+ 1 on the Power/Road combo
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10-30-2006, 11:22 AM
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#9 | Join Date: Oct 20 2006 Location: Perth Western Australia Bike(s): 98 Titanium CBR1100 XX Superblackbird Posts: 330
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Originally Posted by davesxx01 + 1 on the Power/Road combo |
I fitted a P/P as a replacement for the nearly bald & cupped D208 and had a 2/3 worn ( in the middle ) P/R on the rear about 2 months ago and what a difference it made  she turns in much easier, almost like it has power steering( pun intended ) and seems much more stable and so far have put around 2000km on the front and the rear P/R is now basically bald all over with no chicken strips and only 3/8" strips on the front. I will definately put another P/R on the back as I have had no problems with grip and when I get my 900rr shock in and a shim in I am expecting the handling to be even better |
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10-31-2006, 3:04 AM
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#10 | | www.ozblackbird.net Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Aussie Bike(s): http://ozblackbird.net Posts: 69
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Do you self a favour and do a burnout with those Macadams NOW!!!!
Go on, out to the shed wheel her out the front and destroy that horrible tyre in a white smokey haze!!!!
Now go get yourself some Powers!!!!!
If you are really concerned about wear and tear then go as advised, PP front PR rear!!!
Have fun in the twisties!!!! |
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10-31-2006, 3:45 AM
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#11 | Join Date: Oct 30 2006 Location: Norway Bike(s): 1997 Blackbird Posts: 381
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I was considering Pirelli Diablo Strada or Metzeler Z6 for next season.
Here is why: http://bikeland.org/articles/Diablo%...adtec%20Z6.pdf
Perhaps some of you old farts have some experience with these tires??
According to the above article, the Stradas and Z6's have about 90% of the grip/handling compared to supersport tires, but has 3 times better durability..!
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10-31-2006, 8:19 AM
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#12 | Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Merriwa, Western Australia Bike(s): 06 Blackbird, Yoshi's, pyramid hugger. Posts: 164
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When she who must be obeyed stops hissing about the PCIII and my other recent shopping expeditions the Dunlop Dshit tyres are gunna get treated with the contempt they so richly deserve and get popped in a very smoky haze. Pics will follow  . PP/PR combo will then get fitted.
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10-31-2006, 11:03 PM
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#13 | Join Date: Oct 18 2006 Location: Spanaway, WA Bike(s): '00 XX Posts: 713
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Originally Posted by WestOzBird PP/PR combo will then get fitted. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftlaner but has 3 times better durability..! | I believe the PP/PR is the best combo for sticky and durability!!
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11-02-2006, 2:19 PM
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#14 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Bike(s): '97 XX Posts: 178
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I've run the PR/PR, PP/PR, and PR/PR and am currently running the Diablo/strada combo...
I've got to say that I agree with Josh Bowen... My tire choices in order of how well I like them:
first place: Power/Power
Second place: Diablo/Strada
Third Place: Power/Road
Forth Place: Road/Road
Fifth Place: The RAGING PIECES OF SHIT BT's that came on the thing
The Powers F&R are obvously my favorite, because... well... They're the Powers, and they KICK ASS! I got 7500 miles out of my last PP rear, and a little over 10k and the front still had a couple k-miles left in it.
The Power F/ Road R is pretty good, and at this point, they are what I'd use if I was running across the country to run corners in CA, because they work well, and I know that I get 10k miles out of a rear Road, and 10k out of a front Power. One thing though... I've got a thing for pinning the throttle in third gear while I'm leaned over and shooting out of corners, and the Roads will do this, but they need to be warmed up to do so, because of the smaller contact patch out towards the edge compared to some others. I have never had the Powers do anything to me, but the Road rear will start to walk out from under me, very predictably, and controllably, but walk out none-the-less under WFO leaned over behavior...
The Diablos... I've only had them on for about 1000 miles (3 weeks), and had to drive to work a couple of good, rainy, cold (40 degrees F) days, but I have ridden a couple of those 40 degree, pouring rain days, and I have to say that they aren't QUITE as good as the Power F/R but other than that, they're the best tires for cold/rain that I've had thus far! I was even playing around in the rain the other day and I could go ALMOST WFO in first, mostly straight up, and the rear kept traction just fine, and this was with only about 5 easy miles on the tires in the morning, and it was about 35F... They feel about the same when leaned way over as the Powers, and seem to have a huge contact patch there (triangle profile), but they just don't transition side to side quite as quickly as the Powers... If I can get 10k out of these, I'll probably keep running them, but if it's in the 7-8k mile range, I'm just going to say "screw it" and run just straight up Powers, or the 2CT from now on, front and rear.
Mike
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03-24-2007, 3:37 AM
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#15 | Join Date: Mar 24 2007 Location: Olathe, KS Bike(s): XX, HD Ultra Classic Age: 40 Posts: 3
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Originally Posted by BDAZXX I have a 6.25 wheel and have ran 180s and 190s on it. The 190 handles fine but turns in alittle slower than the 180.
Theres pleanty of places to do research, do your homework if you are wanting to go bigger. | You can put a 6.25 on our bikes without doing ANY thing else? Just swap the wheel?
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04-08-2007, 4:09 AM
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#16 | Join Date: Nov 29 2006 Location: Sweden Bike(s): Busa -08, the CBR 1100 XX -97 is now SOLD Posts: 161
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I'm running a 190 on a 5.5" rim, it works very well, although it is a temporary set up while the bike is dynoed. 190 tyre on the Bird - Public Discussion Forums
Last edited by R1000 : 04-08-2007 at 9:59 AM.
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04-08-2007, 9:33 AM
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#17 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,387
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Originally Posted by Leftlaner I was considering Pirelli Diablo Strada or Metzeler Z6 for next season.
Here is why: http://bikeland.org/articles/Diablo%...adtec%20Z6.pdf
Perhaps some of you old farts have some experience with these tires??
According to the above article, the Stradas and Z6's have about 90% of the grip/handling compared to supersport tires, but has 3 times better durability..! |
Last fall I changed from a M1/M1 set up, to the M1/Z6 combo. I finally got a chance to test them out in AZ last month.
IMO after doing quite abit of knee draggin, the M1/Z6 combo is working just as good as M1's.
The Z6 is standing up very well, and has lots of side wall grip, so, unless something changes, this will be my new tire set up on the bird for a long time to come.
Besides, I don't know about where you live....but up here, there is a hell of a lot of straight road between the twisties. Why run a really sticky tire when you know the birds gonna eat it for lunch?
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04-08-2007, 1:25 PM
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#18 | Join Date: Feb 11 2007 Location: SLC Utah Bike(s): 99 Posts: 134
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Originally Posted by lois Last fall I changed from a M1/M1 set up, to the M1/Z6 combo. I finally got a chance to test them out in AZ last month.
IMO after doing quite abit of knee draggin, the M1/Z6 combo is working just as good as M1's.
The Z6 is standing up very well, and has lots of side wall grip, so, unless something changes, this will be my new tire set up on the bird for a long time to come.
Besides, I don't know about where you live....but up here, there is a hell of a lot of straight road between the twisties. Why run a really sticky tire when you know the birds gonna eat it for lunch?  |  I ran a Z6/M1 last year I was very happy with them. The M1 has great feed back too. I am trying something differant now that I won't name for now, but so far  . I have a new set of pp ct2 ready to go, but I wanting to get a full test on the other set because I think the rear has promise, but it hard to tell with the front that is on there. My only complaint with the Z6/M1 was no wear marker in the center of the Z6.
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