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Thread: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

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    rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    This problem is really rustrating me- I'm open to suggestions and clues, I definitely need 'em! My XX is a 2000 model with 34K miles on it. Since the last time the rear wheel was removed, something's not been 100% correct. When the right 27mm axle nut is torqued down, there's so much friction I can hardly spin the rear wheel with the bike on the centerstand. No way can I torque the nut to the recommended 69ft/lbs, the wheel would then barely spin. I can only torque it to about 20ft/lbs. Thinking it might be the rear brake caliper, I replaced that along with the bracket and 14mm mounting pin. That's not it, made no difference, brake assembly/rotor showed no signs of overheating, so I've eliminated that possibility right away. The wheel spins freely until that axle nut is torqued down, then something just binds it up. It really feels like way too much friction. Wheel bearings are still good, but doesn't it have to be something in the internal hub itself, or bearings binding to the wheel spacers at this point? What's left to consider, what am I missing?

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    I take it you have both wheel spacers in position. I know it sounds silly but I can't see another reason for this problem at this time.

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    Yes, I do- and due to different diameters they can only go one way. One thing I did have wrong for a while: the gold large washer that goes under the left the end of the axle, I had put on the inside between the left wheel bearing and the left spacer. Maybe cranking down on that incorrect assembly order messed up the bearing tolerances...

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    I wonder (depending on how far down you took the wheels component parts) if perhaps the internal bushing (shown as item number #6 in the fiche shot below) is perhaps in backward or something? Secondly...are the cush drive rubbers spaced correctly in the pie shape cut outs in the wheel? The parts that remain stationary in the rear wheel are (from left to right) #4 bushing, the inner race on the bearing #21, the #8 inner wheel bearing spacer, the inner race on the #21 bearing, the #6 cush drive spacer, the #29 cush drive bearing inner race, and the #5 left side bushing. Everything else is ment to spin. I did not include axle and related washers or nut in the stationary items. Retrace your steps and check the order of assembly,...maybe the #6 went in from the wrong side of the bearing race?

    re-read your post again,..I do not think that having the axle washer on the inside of the swing-arm would effect the bearings in anyway. As noted above, the order in which the bearing races (x3) and spacers contact each other the only issue you may have created was that getting the wheel in place between the swing-arm legs might have been a bit of a tight fit. The side loading on the bearings would not have changed enough to alter anything. Interesting problem.

    Tony

    edit: one item, I'm careful to "block out of action" with a piece of wood held by a big rubber band is the brake lever and foot brake peddle,..well for the foot peddle I just ensure I don't go near it in truth. When wheels are removed I do not want to push the lever or peddle to cause a brake caliper piston movement of any sort. This may not be your issue as you did get the wheel back in place with the brake rotor between the brake pads right?
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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    EDIT Tony was posting as I was writing this.
    The No 6 he mentions is the driven collar I mention in 3. below.

    This is certainly not one you can put a finger on instantly but is probably quite a simple problem.
    Being an engineer I like a methodical approach to solving problems so that is what I would suggest here.
    But first as you have identified, the brake is the most likely culprit and I would still suspect it myself, have you checked that the carrier is undamaged and running smoothly and straight on the slider on the inside of the swing arm?
    If you have checked this, drop the pads from the caliper and see if that improves matters since this should give a large enough gap for the disc to turn without any interference.
    Is the disc running true? Certainly in the UK we do suffer from bi-metallic corrosion at the mating surfaces of the steel disc and alloy wheel which can cause the disc to run out of true (other manufacturers fit a gasket at these mating surfaces, Honda doesn't on the BB).

    If these checks don't give a solution I would go back to basics and build the rear end up step by step, that way you are only adding one variable at a time so you should be able to spot when the problem occurs and what has changed.
    1. Check the axle/nut and their threads, lightly grease the axle.
    2. Put axle in swing arm and tighten gently (you should see the swing arm pull in / spring out as you tighten / undo. You will then see why I suspect the brake positioning which I wrote about above.
    3. Check for any undue wear in the cush drive unit, driven collar moving ok?
    3. You are happy with the bearings, all 3? In reality there is little left in the wheel apart from the spacer(!) so re-assemble (lightly grease the spacers) but don't connect the chain or put the brake pads in. Check again.
    By now you should have identified the problem - you might have found it much earlier so didn't need to get this far!

    Good luck!
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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    I know this is an old thread but I wonder if the OP figured out the problem?
    I had same issue - and that's how I found this post. In my case the issue arose because I replaced the brake pads and the 'fixed' pad (the one that the pistons don't touch) was being compressed against the disc upon torquing the main axle nut.
    Never had this occur before and only solution was to re-install old worn pad on that side! EBC pads used as always so don't know why.
    Anyone seen this before?


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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    The rear caliper needs to float. That is, move from side to side to automatically find center, no matter the thickness of one or both pads. Check the pins for smoothness.

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    HI was going to say check to see if it slides i keep mine greased

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    Also check pad thickness. There was a time i got a set that were thicker than normal. Seems the gold wings use the same pad design but they are thicker. Not sure how they got crossed but returned them to the store got another set and they were about 1/2 as much pad and problem was fixed.
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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    Thanks guys.
    Moot point now - bike stolen today.


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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    Bummer! Hopefully the back wheel will seize up on the b**tard!
    No good deed goes unpunished!

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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    17 year old bike with 85k miles on clock. They weren't stealing it to sell. Police told me thugs here like it for 'jobs' coz they can put three on it easily.
    I'm waiting to hear about it being found on waste ground after a match being dropped into the petrol tank.
    The worst part is I just put 2 new BT023s on it and new brake pads all round. What a waste.
    Zzr1400 next I think. Just for a change after 6 years with the blackie.
    Thanks for all the help and advice over the years by the experts on this site - invaluable.


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    Re: rear wheel binding/friction when axle nut is torqued

    What a sad end to Bird ownership, feel free to stick around NorfolkandWay!
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