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John01XX · 12-27-2006, 12:34 PM

First time to really appreciate the Blinder M20 Laser Jammer, installed a few weeks ago.

Yes they really do work well

I now ride everywhere with the J & M Audio system plugged in.

Riding to work this morning on my usual route. Posted speed limit is 40mph along side a residential gated community. School is out so no kids waiting along the street for the bus. Holiday week so very few cars on the road.
Typical local cop radar/laser hiding spot coming up. I am running about 50mph looking ahead for the hand held laser gun sticking out from behind the row of Royal Palm Trees. Joe Cop with the Sunrise Police department has hidden his Hardley out of sight and sure enough is clocking cars as they go by.
Bout the time I think I see the gun bam! the laser jammer alarm goes off in my headset and the dash LED turns Red from Green and I get a frown as my MP3 Music is muted automatically from the Laser alarm.
I roll off and see Joe Cop step out from behind said tree still trying to aim better. I give a friendly wave as I go by at 38 mph. He does a half hearted return wave as he knows the Red Bird from my daily commutes, waves and Black Dog helmet Ears. I silently say Bow Wow as I go by!
The big grin returns as he gives up on the attempt and Nickleback returns to my listening pleasure .

Aurora · 12-27-2006, 11:58 PM

John,

We want pictures, installation information and costs involved. ASAP!

Thx,

Aurora

davesxx01 · 12-28-2006, 9:29 AM

Ditto!

Warchild · 12-28-2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davesxx01

Ditto!

Though just in case Homeland Security is reading this thread, I am only interested in this subject for informational purposes only.

99Birdman · 12-28-2006, 11:33 AM

Would definitely buy one as soon as I move out of the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Unfortunately, they are illegal in Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.

davesxx01 · 12-28-2006, 4:51 PM

Radar Roy has a nice write-up:
Laser Jammer BLINDER X-TREME M20 for motorcycles

seXXes · 12-28-2006, 6:51 PM

Anyone know the legality of these in the Great White North?

Aurora · 12-28-2006, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seXXes

Anyone know the legality of these in the Great White North?

Take Off eah!

You Hoser

Bob and Doug McKenzie are the Best

pnelson32 · 12-29-2006, 2:31 AM

John, where are you?! Where are you?!

Do leave us! We need you!

iXXion · 12-29-2006, 2:40 AM

There ain't much to see, folks. Small light and buzzer on the dash, and the transponder head is it.

Here you can see the transponder with the leveling tool in place to set the angle. Once its set, the level is removed and a cap placed in the hole.

John01XX · 12-29-2006, 6:01 AM

Thats the one.

Looks the same on my Bird.

I will try to get some Pic's this weekend. Really busy this next week with end of the year taxes and such. I hate this time of year with owning two companys and doing all the book work for both. Gotta spend all my left over company funds before Sunday night for best tax credit !!

seXXes · 12-29-2006, 6:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora

Take Off eah!

You Hoser

Bob and Doug McKenzie are the Best

Good Day, eh? I have my thinking touque on.

Seriously, though. Does anyone know if Canada has any laws in place about lidar jammers yet?

John01XX · 12-29-2006, 8:53 AM

Google is your friend !!

I think they are illegal in Canada

seXXes · 12-29-2006, 9:39 AM

Quote:

What would Radar Rob do in Canada, Virginia and Washington DC?
The same, except make certain that the detector is turned off when the cop approaches his car.
What would Radar Rob do if he was a nice law abiding citizen and lived in CA, NE, MN or OK?
He would use the RMR DLS312. The worlds fastest radar detector coupled with a Laser scrambler/jammer. There are no regulations on Laser jamming. Ok, I would have to live without the radar protection portion. To compensate I would want the fastest detector in the West. (more then 28,000 laser guns have been sold, is there one waiting for you?)

Hmmmm.

iXXion · 12-29-2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John01XX

Gotta spend all my left over company funds before Sunday night for best tax credit !!

Lemme know if you need any help with that, John.

haWHYnXX · 12-29-2006, 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iXXion

Lemme know if you need any help with that, John.

There's a few things on my XX-mas list that didn't get fulfilled!!!

Aurora · 12-29-2006, 7:13 PM

This would make a great group buy item. Dale!?!

John01XX · 12-29-2006, 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haWHYnXX

There's a few things on my XX-mas list that didn't get fulfilled!!!

Sorry no money to spend from the Bike Bits business :-(
That is thanks to Dales GB's : Pro-Oiler and Ohlins shock

I did manage today to buy my partner a new MacBook-Pro laptop tho!

The accountant is coming tomorrow

Aurora · 01-07-2007, 5:32 PM

After seeing John's post I wonder how many people are using them and do they really work. Does the Blinder cause a message of LIDAR unit being jammed to be display on LEO LIDAR gun?

Would you buy the Blinder if you didn't currently own one?

shovelstrokeed · 01-07-2007, 7:17 PM

Doubtful. I generally behave around town and run barefoot as well. Once on the road, my V1 has served me pretty well although, even there, unless I am feeling silly, or in a traffic situation I am uncomfortable with, I'm rarely over 85 or so.

Aurora · 01-07-2007, 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shovelstrokeed

Doubtful. I generally behave around town and run barefoot as well. Once on the road, my V1 has served me pretty well although, even there, unless I am feeling silly, or in a traffic situation I am uncomfortable with, I'm rarely over 85 or so.

Did you mean 185 mph?

John01XX · 01-07-2007, 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora

After seeing John's post I wonder how many people are using them and do they really work. Does the Blinder cause a message of LIDAR unit being jammed to be display on LEO LIDAR gun?

Would you buy the Blinder if you didn't currently own one?

Yes they really work and work well on the Bird. they work better on a Bike than a car due to the reduced surface reflective area that laser requires for a signal return.

The laser gun does not get a good return signal to show speed so it appears that the operators aim is off. Just does not show a speed reading.

I have wanted to buy one for a few years but $400.00 just wasn't in the stars for me. I bought one second hand for $250.00 and it is worth the $400.00 price tag if you have Highway Patrol like we do that use them daily on the Interstates I drive daily. I just can't stand going 60 mph in a 65 mph zone mixed in with all the Gray Hairs. Motorcycles are suppose to be in the "HOV" lane, High Occupancy Vehicle, so I can make good time on the Bird with the Jammer going in the HOV lane. 80-85 in the HOV with confidence using the Jammer. When Jammer alerts roll off and brake to 65 till I pass the Trooper then back to 80-85. Trooper never gives me a second look.

If you live around alot of laser use then it is a good investment. A bit pricey but a good investment none the less.

iXXion · 01-07-2007, 8:33 PM

John01XX · 01-07-2007, 9:05 PM

I don't completely agree. I the lidar is line of sight the same as the M20 is.
As long as the jammer is within a couple inches of the targeted area, usually the headlight on a Bike, the M20 jams perfectly.
The only problem is if your helmet is targeted and it is to far away from the Jammer to give you any protection.
In a tuck the M20 gives complete protection and jams all the way to the gun on all the latest models that were available through Mid 2006. As tested by members on the other site as well as California Law Enforcement and a couple companies that test electronics as a business.

Specifically the BlackBird was used as the test motorcycle along with a number of cars and trucks. the Blackbird was the only vehicle to be able to Jam all six of the latest guns all the way to the gun. I have a copy of the test results that are available on the net for a price. I promised to not reproduce the test results in exchange for the 250.00 price. I actually received the same unit that was used in the testing on another members Blackbird.
I have done some testing myself, since I installed it, with known lidar traps set-up at known locations along my usual route to work. They always step out of hiding trying to get a lock on me. By then I have slowed down to legal speed and turned off the jammer and see them turn around and hide again behind a tree or other object and lay in wait for the next victom t come along.

If installed correctly they work perfectly. They will always give you enough time to slow down so that the lidar operator never realizes just how fast you were going. Granted if you are doing warp speed then the operator doesn't need a lidar reading.
I believe that I will never have to worry about getting another ticket by lidar for going 15 over the limit again. I can scrub off 15 mph in a couple seconds easily. That is all I need.

Aurora · 01-07-2007, 9:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John01XX

By then I have slowed down to legal speed and turned off the jammer and see them turn around and hide again behind a tree or other object and lay in wait for the next victom t come along.

Why do you shut the Blinder off before passing the LEO?

iXXion · 01-07-2007, 9:23 PM

John...there's a reason the installation kit includes a level....so that you can install and align the unit properly. The problem is that unlike a car, a motorcycle tilts...and has significant changes in attitude with braking, acceleration, luggage, and rider(s) positions that also aren't experienced in a car.....and that will alter that carefully set alignment.

The transponder beam from the Blinder is horizontally strong...and vertically challenged. That's why the installation instructions do not include anything more than a sight alignment for left-right centering, but DO include a level for vertical alignment. There's enough coverage for realistic highway performance, but just like the upper cutoff on your low beam headlight, the Blinder's broadcast area is limited when you are aggressively leaning. You should have no problem, seeing as how there are something like 11 curves in Florida. :little smartass smiley:

iXXion · 01-07-2007, 9:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora

Why do you shut the Blinder off before passing the LEO?

Presumably, so they will think its just that their gun wouldn't lock on, and not that they were being jammed. Plus, it gives visual proof that you WEREN'T speeding...eh?

John01XX · 01-07-2007, 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora

Why do you shut the Blinder off before passing the LEO?

Shutting it off allows him to get a lock and see that I am not speeding. Stops drawing attention to me specifically. Let him move on to the next person.
Plus the local cops see me almost daily and often point to their helmet (motorcycle cops) because of the "Ears" I wear on my helmet. I have given out a few pairs of the "PIG" Ears to local officers as a joke so my bike is known when up fairly close. They don't know it is me at 1500 meters away until I turn the jammer off and they stop aiming. Then I usually get a wave or thumbs up when I pass by. Turning the jammer off is a courtesy that all the sites selling them ask you to do. Keep the attention off the Bike with a Jammer. We don't need any new laser laws !!

Mustard · 01-07-2007, 10:36 PM

How does the Blinder let you know there is a radar ahead?

It is illegal to have a radar jammer here in Oz, so install would have to be discrete. A big flashing light on the dash with a switch to turn it off - not so discrete. Anyone got a pic of the install?

John01XX · 01-08-2007, 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard

How does the Blinder let you know there is a radar ahead?

It is illegal to have a radar jammer here in Oz, so install would have to be discrete. A big flashing light on the dash with a switch to turn it off - not so discrete. Anyone got a pic of the install?

On the Bird it is pretty discreet. The emitter is mounted flush just under the headlight(must be level) and is not visible walking around the Bike unless you are only 4 feet tall. I have a small single LED mounted where the base of the windscreen meets the dash aimed at my face that lights up green when turned on and turns Red when it is jamming. I mounted the small flush mount switch (dime size) on the plastic panel next to the forward left side of the tank along side of another flush mounted rocker switch that controls the volumn to my audio system.

12-27-2006, 11:58 PM	#2
Aurora Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,260	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer John, We want pictures, installation information and costs involved. ASAP! Thx, Aurora

12-28-2006, 9:29 AM	#3
davesxx01 Join Date: Oct 17 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 285	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Ditto! __________________ http://www.cyclefarkle.com '01 Redbird (sold) '07 ST1300 '08 Yamaha Raider "S"

12-28-2006, 11:33 AM	#5
99Birdman Join Date: Oct 19 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 26	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Would definitely buy one as soon as I move out of the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Unfortunately, they are illegal in Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.

12-28-2006, 4:51 PM	#6
davesxx01 Join Date: Oct 17 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 285	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Radar Roy has a nice write-up: Laser Jammer BLINDER X-TREME M20 for motorcycles __________________ http://www.cyclefarkle.com '01 Redbird (sold) '07 ST1300 '08 Yamaha Raider "S"

12-28-2006, 6:51 PM	#7
seXXes Crazy Cannuck Join Date: Dec 18 2006 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Age: 31 Posts: 121	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Anyone know the legality of these in the Great White North?

12-29-2006, 2:31 AM	#9
pnelson32 Join Date: Dec 15 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Age: 31 Posts: 83	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer John, where are you?! Where are you?! Do leave us! We need you! __________________ -Paul in Dallas

12-29-2006, 6:01 AM	#11
John01XX Vendor Join Date: Oct 31 2006 Location: So. Flo-da Posts: 1,147	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Thats the one. Looks the same on my Bird. I will try to get some Pic's this weekend. Really busy this next week with end of the year taxes and such. I hate this time of year with owning two companys and doing all the book work for both. Gotta spend all my left over company funds before Sunday night for best tax credit !! __________________ John Smith Proprieter of John's Bike Bits John@BikeBits.us

12-29-2006, 8:53 AM	#13
John01XX Vendor Join Date: Oct 31 2006 Location: So. Flo-da Posts: 1,147	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer Google is your friend !! I think they are illegal in Canada __________________ John Smith Proprieter of John's Bike Bits John@BikeBits.us

12-29-2006, 7:13 PM	#17
Aurora Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,260	Re: Blinder M20 Laser Jammer This would make a great group buy item. Dale!?!

01-07-2007, 5:32 PM	#19
Aurora Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,260	Who is running a Blinder M20 After seeing John's post I wonder how many people are using them and do they really work. Does the Blinder cause a message of LIDAR unit being jammed to be display on LEO LIDAR gun? Would you buy the Blinder if you didn't currently own one?

01-07-2007, 7:17 PM	#20
shovelstrokeed Join Date: Dec 16 2006 Location: S. Fla Posts: 302	Re: Who is running a Blinder M20 Doubtful. I generally behave around town and run barefoot as well. Once on the road, my V1 has served me pretty well although, even there, unless I am feeling silly, or in a traffic situation I am uncomfortable with, I'm rarely over 85 or so.

01-07-2007, 8:33 PM	#23
iXXion Join Date: Oct 13 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 182	Re: Who is running a Blinder M20 . Last edited by iXXion; 01-08-2007 at 1:20 PM.

01-07-2007, 9:05 PM	#24
John01XX Vendor Join Date: Oct 31 2006 Location: So. Flo-da Posts: 1,147	Re: Who is running a Blinder M20 I don't completely agree. I the lidar is line of sight the same as the M20 is. As long as the jammer is within a couple inches of the targeted area, usually the headlight on a Bike, the M20 jams perfectly. The only problem is if your helmet is targeted and it is to far away from the Jammer to give you any protection. In a tuck the M20 gives complete protection and jams all the way to the gun on all the latest models that were available through Mid 2006. As tested by members on the other site as well as California Law Enforcement and a couple companies that test electronics as a business. Specifically the BlackBird was used as the test motorcycle along with a number of cars and trucks. the Blackbird was the only vehicle to be able to Jam all six of the latest guns all the way to the gun. I have a copy of the test results that are available on the net for a price. I promised to not reproduce the test results in exchange for the 250.00 price. I actually received the same unit that was used in the testing on another members Blackbird. I have done some testing myself, since I installed it, with known lidar traps set-up at known locations along my usual route to work. They always step out of hiding trying to get a lock on me. By then I have slowed down to legal speed and turned off the jammer and see them turn around and hide again behind a tree or other object and lay in wait for the next victom t come along. If installed correctly they work perfectly. They will always give you enough time to slow down so that the lidar operator never realizes just how fast you were going. Granted if you are doing warp speed then the operator doesn't need a lidar reading. I believe that I will never have to worry about getting another ticket by lidar for going 15 over the limit again. I can scrub off 15 mph in a couple seconds easily. That is all I need. __________________ John Smith Proprieter of John's Bike Bits John@BikeBits.us

01-07-2007, 9:23 PM	#26
iXXion Join Date: Oct 13 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 182	Re: Who is running a Blinder M20 John...there's a reason the installation kit includes a level....so that you can install and align the unit properly. The problem is that unlike a car, a motorcycle tilts...and has significant changes in attitude with braking, acceleration, luggage, and rider(s) positions that also aren't experienced in a car.....and that will alter that carefully set alignment. The transponder beam from the Blinder is horizontally strong...and vertically challenged. That's why the installation instructions do not include anything more than a sight alignment for left-right centering, but DO include a level for vertical alignment. There's enough coverage for realistic highway performance, but just like the upper cutoff on your low beam headlight, the Blinder's broadcast area is limited when you are aggressively leaning. You should have no problem, seeing as how there are something like 11 curves in Florida. :little smartass smiley:

01-07-2007, 10:36 PM	#29
Mustard Join Date: Oct 31 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 56	Re: Who is running a Blinder M20 How does the Blinder let you know there is a radar ahead? It is illegal to have a radar jammer here in Oz, so install would have to be discrete. A big flashing light on the dash with a switch to turn it off - not so discrete. Anyone got a pic of the install?

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