DMG: Delusional Motorsports Group? - AMA Pro Road Racing 2009 News - Motorcycle USA

What a bunch of clowns.

That's really bad. Hopefully it will get better next year.

Is Tony George involved with that group?
What a bunch of idiots.

Originally Posted by PJNXX

That's really bad. Hopefully it will get better next year.

I would not hold your breath. They have learn nothing since Daytona. We had pace car problems there and I think at most track. Matt M. is correct this is not NASCAR but they are trying to made it NASBIKE .
Sure hope DMG is not as bad as our government and waits till they hurt or kill a racer or fan before they wake up.

I haven't been to an AMA race since 2002. The reasons are obvious and now painful.

Where is the MIC and the rival series?

NASCRAP shouldn't even be associated with the word "Racing". Restrictor plates are fine for gridding a moving freight train, but was UNSAFE as a concept when introduced to motorcycle racing and remains so. The mathmatics alone in the acceleration curves of a motorcycle (much less an entire field of them) means you cannot grid a rolling start (much less a restart) the same way as you can with Stock Cars (but seriously, how much of these machines are actually "stock" anymore).

Grid starts are the accepted standard in the genre and are the safest as well as fairest (being able to penalize jump starts for instance) and should remain the singular iron standard. Nothing against Le Mans starts, but as it isn't used by the "big leagues" like WSB nor MotoGP, it fits that it is still only seen in club racing for approriate sized motorcycles.

Adopting a "unified" rule set like that which is used by WSB and MotoGP would've been the way to go IMO. Standardizing the tracks to meet the standards of WSB and MotoGP tracks MAY open up the possibility of adding future events as well. Maybe not stops on the circuit, but possibly endurance events or stuff like sidecar racing.

SpeedTV also dropped the ball (being the adopted mouthpiece for NASCRAP) by shifting from motorsports to the "ALL NASCRAP ALL THE TIME CHANNEL". The Laguna Seca event was broadcast on Fox (luckily I was surfing or I would've missed it) instead of where I normally look to watch motorcycle racing, WTF?!?!?!?

DMG needs to go away, or get out of the NASBIKE frame of mind and back off the micromanagement. They DO NOT know what they are doing in the realm of "other than restrictor plates" and will only continue to do harm (if not eventually kill) motorcycle racing in the US and unfortunately sooner than later. If they get a clue they might be able to save it and the riders they put in jeopardy with this idiocy. Not having any idea or plan of what to do nor how to do it in the event of an incident (like what happened TWICE) on an international stage only gets them what they deserve with the proverbial pants down in public.

Now I have to go break something to vent this ire I've stirred up!!!!!!!

So Growler what is your real opinion of the DMG?

Sorry, I tried to sugar-coat it but my attempts are also the reason I had to get out of the Army after only 8 years. I've never claimed nor tried to be a politician as my knowledge of tact is as limited as my successful usage of the same.

Sad times for motorcylcle racing indeed.


Lois

The Delusional Motorsport Group maybe listening. Speed reported that the Pace car and full course yellows are out for Mid-Ohio weekend. That is the good news. The bad news it is only for Mid-Ohio. They are going to "work" with the racers to come up with a new procedure.

You figure it has to be better than the last one.

Yeah, a Buell Safety Bike. What a con. Push the "American Brand" for the American Racing Series, bend the rules for the "American Brand"....and let's see what happens next. Or not, since I don't watch it and don't care.

By the way, where is that motor built? And where does the suspension come from? Kudos to Erik Buell for his pig headed determination, but as long as the umbilical cord is tethered to HD, his product will never be a serious contender as a sport bike. Ever go into a HD dealership and ask about them?

It's the red headed step child.

Originally Posted by X1rider

Yeah, a Buell Safety Bike. What a con. Push the "American Brand" for the American Racing Series, bend the rules for the "American Brand"....and let's see what happens next. Or not, since I don't watch it and don't care.

By the way, where is that motor built? And where does the suspension come from? Kudos to Erik Buell for his pig headed determination, but as long as the umbilical cord is tethered to HD, his product will never be a serious contender as a sport bike. Ever go into a HD dealership and ask about them?

It's the red headed step child.

I read a good article in one of the magazines related to the Buell success in the series. They made some excellent points in the article that disputed that the Buells had a built in advantage. I'll have to see if I can dig up the mag. Might have tossed it by now. I know what you mean about going into an HD dealership. Odd really. I mean I know their base business is bagged up parade bikes but you would think that someone out there might have an interest in some level of performance.

HD and Performance are like oil and water, they just don't mix well. They have never really been about "performance" and in the current mindset/mentality of the "culture", it has nothing to do with performance. It's all about attitude (snobbish and elitist) in the realm of, "I ride a Harley, F**k everything else." Nothing else (to them) is a motorcycle so how can anyone engage them in a discussion about performance.

Their mindset is vividly apparent in the VR1000. It's first entrance into the Daytona 200, both entries were DNF as one of them burned on the side of the track. They tried for what, 5 years, and never really had a performance machine.

They tout the V-Rod as new technology because they know nothing about water cooling (which is why the bike has cause a rift from within the membership). They HAD to go outside (to Porsche) to design the water cooling because HD had no knowledge. That "new technology" they keep talking about has been around for nearly a century and was most commonly used in automobiles, but today is EVERYWHERE but HD (until the V-Rod). New Technology my A$$.

Thet run their engineering from an early 1900's point of view nd THAT is why they will never truly have a "Performance" mindset.

Well, they do have cylinder deactivation and throttle by wire now, FI of course, but what is the point of adding all this stuff to something that has it's air cooled design roots in the 1930s?

Originally Posted by X1rider

but what is the point of adding all this stuff to something that has it's air cooled design roots in the 1930s?

Actually, I think you need to go a couple decades further back.