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DMG: Delusional Motorsports Group? - AMA Pro Road Racing 2009 News - Motorcycle USA

What a bunch of clowns.

PJNXX

That's really bad. Hopefully it will get better next year.

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Strek

Is Tony George involved with that group?
What a bunch of idiots.

Shorebird

I would not hold your breath. They have learn nothing since Daytona. We had pace car problems there and I think at most track. Matt M. is correct this is not NASCAR but they are trying to made it NASBIKE .
Sure hope DMG is not as bad as our government and waits till they hurt or kill a racer or fan before they wake up.

X1rider

I haven't been to an AMA race since 2002. The reasons are obvious and now painful.

Where is the MIC and the rival series?

Growler67

NASCRAP shouldn't even be associated with the word "Racing". Restrictor plates are fine for gridding a moving freight train, but was UNSAFE as a concept when introduced to motorcycle racing and remains so. The mathmatics alone in the acceleration curves of a motorcycle (much less an entire field of them) means you cannot grid a rolling start (much less a restart) the same way as you can with Stock Cars (but seriously, how much of these machines are actually "stock" anymore).

Grid starts are the accepted standard in the genre and are the safest as well as fairest (being able to penalize jump starts for instance) and should remain the singular iron standard. Nothing against Le Mans starts, but as it isn't used by the "big leagues" like WSB nor MotoGP, it fits that it is still only seen in club racing for approriate sized motorcycles.

Adopting a "unified" rule set like that which is used by WSB and MotoGP would've been the way to go IMO. Standardizing the tracks to meet the standards of WSB and MotoGP tracks MAY open up the possibility of adding future events as well. Maybe not stops on the circuit, but possibly endurance events or stuff like sidecar racing.

SpeedTV also dropped the ball (being the adopted mouthpiece for NASCRAP) by shifting from motorsports to the "ALL NASCRAP ALL THE TIME CHANNEL". The Laguna Seca event was broadcast on Fox (luckily I was surfing or I would've missed it) instead of where I normally look to watch motorcycle racing, WTF?!?!?!?

DMG needs to go away, or get out of the NASBIKE frame of mind and back off the micromanagement. They DO NOT know what they are doing in the realm of "other than restrictor plates" and will only continue to do harm (if not eventually kill) motorcycle racing in the US and unfortunately sooner than later. If they get a clue they might be able to save it and the riders they put in jeopardy with this idiocy. Not having any idea or plan of what to do nor how to do it in the event of an incident (like what happened TWICE) on an international stage only gets them what they deserve with the proverbial pants down in public.

Now I have to go break something to vent this ire I've stirred up!!!!!!!

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Shorebird

So Growler what is your real opinion of the DMG?

Growler67

Sorry, I tried to sugar-coat it but my attempts are also the reason I had to get out of the Army after only 8 years. I've never claimed nor tried to be a politician as my knowledge of tact is as limited as my successful usage of the same.

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lois

Sad times for motorcylcle racing indeed.


Lois

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Shorebird

The Delusional Motorsport Group maybe listening. Speed reported that the Pace car and full course yellows are out for Mid-Ohio weekend. That is the good news. The bad news it is only for Mid-Ohio. They are going to "work" with the racers to come up with a new procedure.

You figure it has to be better than the last one.

X1rider

Yeah, a Buell Safety Bike. What a con. Push the "American Brand" for the American Racing Series, bend the rules for the "American Brand"....and let's see what happens next. Or not, since I don't watch it and don't care.

By the way, where is that motor built? And where does the suspension come from? Kudos to Erik Buell for his pig headed determination, but as long as the umbilical cord is tethered to HD, his product will never be a serious contender as a sport bike. Ever go into a HD dealership and ask about them?

It's the red headed step child.

Strek

I read a good article in one of the magazines related to the Buell success in the series. They made some excellent points in the article that disputed that the Buells had a built in advantage. I'll have to see if I can dig up the mag. Might have tossed it by now. I know what you mean about going into an HD dealership. Odd really. I mean I know their base business is bagged up parade bikes but you would think that someone out there might have an interest in some level of performance.

Growler67

HD and Performance are like oil and water, they just don't mix well. They have never really been about "performance" and in the current mindset/mentality of the "culture", it has nothing to do with performance. It's all about attitude (snobbish and elitist) in the realm of, "I ride a Harley, F**k everything else." Nothing else (to them) is a motorcycle so how can anyone engage them in a discussion about performance.

Their mindset is vividly apparent in the VR1000. It's first entrance into the Daytona 200, both entries were DNF as one of them burned on the side of the track. They tried for what, 5 years, and never really had a performance machine.

They tout the V-Rod as new technology because they know nothing about water cooling (which is why the bike has cause a rift from within the membership). They HAD to go outside (to Porsche) to design the water cooling because HD had no knowledge. That "new technology" they keep talking about has been around for nearly a century and was most commonly used in automobiles, but today is EVERYWHERE but HD (until the V-Rod). New Technology my A$$.

Thet run their engineering from an early 1900's point of view nd THAT is why they will never truly have a "Performance" mindset.

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X1rider

Well, they do have cylinder deactivation and throttle by wire now, FI of course, but what is the point of adding all this stuff to something that has it's air cooled design roots in the 1930s?

shewie

Actually, I think you need to go a couple decades further back.

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More news about AMA/DMG, from a local reporter at Mid-Ohio:

Rob McCurdy: AMA put big boys to shame | mansfieldnewsjournal.com | Mansfield News Journal

dunedain

McCurdy makes some points but also touches on other issues that are at hand. The AMA has been and is one of the lamest organizations to run a moto event and MGD also looks to be missing the real spirit of what moto racing is.

SPEEDTV has done everything they could to destroy covereage so they can finally rid the airwaves or motoracing and be the 24/7 NASCAR channel or whatever. AMA Pro prime time was the lamest coverage ever and at least before I knew I could catch the races by the next tuesday. Right now I have no idea when to find them. Thank God for DVR.

The Mid-Ohio races were really good but I'm torn as Slick (Danny E.) is a personal friend of mine and I'm glad he's gotten a ride but HD and the buell just cracks me up. I love HD really but as Growler put it they anit performance. I thought about the 1125cc vs the 600cc the other day when I was beating up the 11 year old down the block.

The economy has not help the moto sceen either but the real reason the factory teams are gone is they drug up all in a tizzy becuase they dont get to call all the shots (except HD hehhe). I'm a huge supporter of the privateer but the factory teams did bring an A-game to an otherwise underfunded paddock. Yosh, Graves, & Jordan are doing what they can but the facotyr teams are traditionally some of the biggest snobs at the track. I loved it when every now and then a privateer would put the whoppin on them with their so called "stock bikes". SO I liked the idea of making the playing field more fair....not this fiar though!!!!

Anyone who has run a track day or got to deal with a race track knows what pirates they are. Maybe Barber is OK.... They have discovered that they can fund full on track upgrades from track days and hosting moto racing events but the fees they get are insane. Especially when you look at that compared to a car event. While we're talking pirates let's not forget promoters (are we back to MGD...uh DMG?) and thier nasty asses. We had a local dickhead get the rights to host an AMA Supermoto event in Norman, OK and I think he had to pay $20,000 for the rights to host it and never had any intention of hosting an event but rather selling the rights for $30,000 and he got no takers so there was never a supermoto event and now there will never be an AMA event because of the aweful taste left behind by that kind of action. Not to be out done a guy went on to have an AMA round of SMX in Austin, TX and not only did it not go down but the guy took thousdand in rider fees and sponsor money. Good luck getting that back.

Does anyone here remeber when it was engine configuration and displacement that classed up the bikes? There was a v-twin class and the inline-4. Oh for the days when it was 250, 600, 750, & 1000.

To say it's only the AMA or DMG is a little short sighted even though it's not hard to see how they have messed things up. To say it will always be this way is like saying global warming is going to kill us all. somehting aint right but it may not be the end.

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Growler67

Topeka

A NASCRAP sponsored track choice. They know NOTHING about motorcycle racing and it was obvious to me as there was only one racing line. The races I watched last night were boring as there wasn't any "slicing and dicing" that motorcycle racers and spectators want/need to see. A generally flat track (no camber to most of the turns) and though cars can manage up to 4 G's on flat turns, bikes cannot go more than 1 lateral G and that was evident by the nature of the crashes highlighted in the pre-race practice coverage. It looked like nearly any NASCRAP event with an imposed freight-train being marketed as entertainment. Weak Sauce.

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smr96

I'm soooooo happy someone else started a thread about this! I've been so disappointed by AMA pro roadracing even before these clowns took over, so much so that if I were to "vent" about it my fingers would fall off from typing! I can't even watch the races anymore without falling asleep in front of the T.V. I'll stick to WSB and MotoGP. WHY can't they learn how to run a series from the Euro's? They really dropped the ball on the Super Moto series too! It's practically nonexistant now with only a handful of races.

smr96

Go to motorcycledaily.com and read why Mladin won't race at Topeka.

smurf211

So I'm laying there in my drug induced euphoria (legal) all set to get caught up on the AMA stuff and the first thing they show is Miladin dropped out and is announcing retirement. It all went down hill from there. I watched about 10 minutes and just deleted the recording. I feel for the guys that are working hard to race. They are getting caught up up in all of this BS, never mind the fans. I sure miss the days when Jake and Miguel were coming in on the corner with both rear wheels off the ground battling for 3rd and 4th. Hopefully a little cyclical evolution will take place and this will recover. Sad. Wonder where Matt is going, too much talent there to sit idle.

smr96

Bet he wishes he'd gone with Ben to WSB. OR, gone instead of Ben!!!!

PAzYearazzUP

Once the flag drops, there are no politics. Once the race is checkered is when the chit hits the fan is who cheated, who jumped the start and did not time the green$.

The race is the race and the buck is the race in the background. The money it takes a racer to run this event are huge entry fees for a small purse.

If you want perspective, I made $75 bucks for 11th place at Daytona in the late 1990's. Now, 11th through so many back is everyone now is paid $3,000 for 11th. 10th place is $1000 more for the 2009 Daytona event.

$15,000 to win Daytona, I think. So, the cheat is on! You move one more space is more money. "You ain't win inn, you ain't cheat inn enough." Same lame Nasbike/NastyCar is one fine after another.

So, who is the bad boy in the game of racing? The Rules Makers or someone with a questionable crank from the back door is whozzzzzzzzzzzz Year Daddy!

Shut up and race! Dis outfit needs a NASZAR is ask the Prez to add one more to the Beer YO Crap Tick political surroundings IS racing.

I'd throw the bums out you stop the race is better know how to bang off of a car you wanna go racing. Check my police reports. I bang off of cars is stay upright is some pace car is one more fool to Paz dare azz is.

WOT happened to racing?

Bordo

It appears our old friend is back...... Lucky he's on my ignore list.....

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PAzYearazzUP

Yo know, Bordo... They banned me at WSB, but someone wanted me to keep up the posts. He thought I was funny. And here I am sarcastic caustic is the mood of the place.

Not my fault you need to hide in the sand, you dumb auzzie... Now, he either lied or I pulled his wang gear is flushed out the hypocrite.

Geez, he gets to give an opinion, but my opinion of the world is you ignore the truth is I hope they cut off your neck is burn your hose down. Your immigrants are a menace is don't start acting like one or I'll tell you how stupid your war book is.

You know, the azzholes you buy your oil from. Be like them is your last move.

Poundstretcher

Got to be worth Brownie points riding Daytona

smurf211

I have to admit something here. I ran into a replay of the race and decided what the hey, and watched the whole thing. It turned out to be a pretty good race. So I got reminded that it ain't over till its over. Have to eat a little crow here. I'll remember next time.