will the bird out run a stock 2006 yamha r1?

firstbird · 01-01-2008, 9:26 PM

a very good freind has a stock r1 and all he has been doing i talking crap about how bad he will outrun my bike, i just want to no if with the right rider will the my bird outrun this bike? full exaust with single pipe, k&n, jetted and not sure about the gearing on my bike

DragonXX · 01-01-2008, 9:31 PM

No !
For the same rider, a Stock 'Bird will not outrun a Yamaha R1, especially on track. The 'Bird will give the R1 a run for its money up the top end though !!

firstbird · 01-01-2008, 9:32 PM

ok thanks, i just did not know

DragonXX · 01-01-2008, 9:34 PM

Not a fair comparo though.
R1 was made to do battle against the likes of the Fireblade, GSXR1000 and ZX10R. The 'Bird is a sports tourer, not a supersports ... hope this helps.
Cheers

X1rider · 01-01-2008, 9:50 PM

The XX has a lower drag co efficient, so given enough room and nerve, you might be able to outrun it. The weight issue might be a problem though.

firstbird · 01-02-2008, 9:30 PM

thanks for the info

BDAZXX · 01-02-2008, 9:57 PM

No fackin way! Everything being equal!!

Put a shitty rider on the R1 and a good rider on the XX, then it might but riders being equal not a chance in hell.

100lbs lighter, 30hp more, numbers dont lie.

JustinTime · 01-03-2008, 1:12 AM

Firstbird, I bet your bike runs well with a full exhaust and jet kit. Unfortuneately your bike won't be able to out accelerate and Stock R1. Given enough road and if he stayed in it you would eventually pass him on the top end. When he talks trash to you tell him you'd like to race from 150mph. He's probably ignorant enough about the BB to take you up on it. Better have a lot of road cause she eats it up fast.

What kind of exhaust do you have?

John01XX · 01-03-2008, 7:29 PM

I would consider a fun race between friends at the 1/4 mile dragstrip ! The Bird could possibly beat the R1 due to not being able to keep the front end down nearly as well as the Bird.
The first 60 feet will tell the tale of who will win.

firstbird · 01-03-2008, 9:12 PM

i belive it is two brothers but not sure the tag is not on there, it was on the bike when i bought it. yea we are gonna race just for fun when i get a learn it a little better, he is about 50 pounds heaver than me and hopefully he will mess up so maby i can have bragging rights

John01XX · 01-03-2008, 10:31 PM

I have been to the Dragstrip a few times just for fun on a basically stock 2001 Bird and my best time is 10.67 at 133 mph.
Adam, Beondwacko, goes fairly regular and strapped his 2001 Bird down in the front and ran a 10.35

firstbird · 01-03-2008, 10:48 PM

ok thanks, with the bike streched and lowered it takes off very well with out lifting the front tire maby i can get him on that

Maxx409 · 01-03-2008, 11:05 PM

Good Luck! Really hope you win, if you do and it's close. Retire saying you proved your point.

Drives em nuts!

JustinTime · 01-04-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by firstbird

ok thanks, with the bike streched and lowered it takes off very well with out lifting the front tire maby i can get him on that

If you're lowered and stretched that could make the difference you need to win in a 1/4 of a mile. He will be realing you in. Just for informations sake an 04-06 R1 will trap at minimum of 10mph more than a stock BB. Your not stock so maybe he'll only trap 5-6 mph more than you which is still significant.

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The Bird could possibly beat the R1 due to not being able to keep the front end down nearly as well as the Bird.
The first 60 feet will tell the tale of who will win.

That isn't ture at all. The R1 always deals with some amount of wheelie factor and yet it runs high 9 second 1/4 mile passes with a good rider on it. If it didn't wheelie it would be running very low 9 second passes based off of it's trap speed.

Firstbird, you do better against a 2007 R1 than you would against a 2004-2006 R1. The new ones are weaker. Genisis motor=

, New four valve motor=

TWEET · 01-04-2008, 12:56 AM

when you say "out run" what do you mean??

over 1/4 Mile, it would be close all things being equal in the rider dept, but on open road, with the bird's aerodynamics and gearing (if stock) the R1 will be pushing shit uphill to beat you to 180MPH.

Once you pass about 230km/h the drag really starts to affect the acceleration of any bike, but with higher torque and more slippery bodywork, and the larger area for the rider to crouch out of the air, the bird takes alot of beating, and the bird has a much greater midrange than the R1 and will take a hayabuse from a 100km/h roll on up until about 220km/h in top gear.

The R1 is fast, more peak HP and quite a few kg lighter, but gearing and aerodynamics would see my money on the bird at speeds > $220km/h

Birdman · 01-05-2008, 7:27 AM

yeah re tweets coments what do you mean outrun??????

for some time now the japs have had a gentleman's agreement that all bikes are limited to 300 kph

have seen 299 on a few bikes , even though they have more they wont go past in stock form so theoretically all bikes should top out at the same speed, the R1 however would get there quicker!!!!

My ZX10-R would out accelerate my Bird, funny though how i round up just about every sport bike with my bird on the road though, especially Gixxers ;-)

vasssikaxx · 08-25-2008, 12:11 PM

I have a stock 98' xx.I often ride in track with the xx.Just little heavier and difficult in a tight s .On the road i put in on the line with an R1 sp [my cousin's].I don't think that there is a great difference .it depends on how you start .we run 2 times and won the second but in both of the << races>> we had less than 1 m difference

Bordo · 08-29-2008, 2:25 AM

I saw an email doing the rounds a few months back of the ten fastest bikes in the world and from memory the Bird came in front of the R1 but only by a few km. I have friends with an R1 and while they can do me off the mark I can get them for top end speed but only just. So the email wasnt to wrong.

TESLACOIL · 09-03-2008, 9:32 PM

if you geared the bird for acceleration and let it rev in the easy bits of the race - the lazy torque of the bbird may give you more time to pick a good line

if you get the r1 to push hard he may struggle to stay in peak power - they rev to 14k or somthing stupid anything over 5k and the bird pull a bit you only got to keep it somwhere above 7k to stay with him i would of thought

xx2wheelin · 09-04-2008, 2:45 AM

heres the final verdict from someone who has raced both bikes in the forms discribed on a race track you have a very good possiblity of beating him as long as you get off the line well. i ran 10.02 on basically the fuel injected version of your bike. and ive only bested a 10.37 on a 05 r1. the r1 will mph a bit faster but the fact is that the bird is just easier to get off the line with and that is where a race is won or lost.

now you mentioned the idea of being stretched and lowered is your bike stretched and lowered or not? becasue if it is this shouldnt even be a question as to who's bike is faster in the 1/4 it would be like asking whos bike is gonna corner better

TESLACOIL · 09-06-2008, 12:26 PM

Question to the man whos ridden both.......

Bird vs R1 - bumbling round the back roads below 60 mph

same gear same speed , which bike pulls away quicker or not much difference

in the first 3 gears starting below 4 or 500 rpm - then going full throttle in that gear

does the bird have more torque than the r1 at low revs full throttle

your thoughts on this

xx2wheelin · 09-06-2008, 1:52 PM

my thoughts on their sheer acceleration from a roll are as follows....going full throttle from a roll at say 30+ the r1 will walk the bird. if you start from a roll around 100 mph or so the bird will walk away from the r1. leaving at lower rpms you can feel that the bird has more torque, but its also because the power curve is much tamer. the bird is geared towards touring so as you open it up the power rolls on smoothly. the r1 is geared towards racing so its power band is fairly narrow and based up at the top of the rev range. you can open it up at lower rpms and it will kinda almost bog for a second then you will feel the power come on really fast. they are 2 different machines and it is hard to compare the two.

drs · 09-06-2008, 4:58 PM

I have sort of tested this, but you’ll need to appreciate I’m of the large build variety.

Friend of mine has a stock 2006 R1 and I have a stock Bird 2002.

We engaged in a futile drag style race. I matched him from start to approximately 85-90 mph, before he crept in front and then began to sod off into the distance.

At the end of it he’s on a dreadfully uncomfortable sports bike and I could tour Europe in complete comfort.

Plus as the bird is such a large capacity engine I’m sure with some mods it would smoke a R1 , well maybe !

vasssikaxx · 09-09-2008, 11:32 AM

at the same rpm at the same speed the bird shows definately more torgue and better response than the neurotic, uncomfortable,and ugly R1