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Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement
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04-08-2008, 5:33 AM
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 Join Date: Apr 05 2008 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Bike(s): '99 CBR1100XX Age: 45 Posts: 39
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Thanks for all the great info on this thread guys. I thought I was looking at a camchain replacement, but I've just nipped to the shop and picked up a replacement lifter set. It's not the same as the ones mentioned here I suspect it's the original. 1430 Baht, about 45 dollars. Just waiting for it to cool down before I change it. Last edited by PiAnt : 04-08-2008 at 6:14 AM. Reason: Update: Wooohoooo... |
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04-24-2008, 8:36 AM
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 Join Date: Feb 26 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Bike(s): 2001 CBR1100XX (The Red Year) Age: 24 Posts: 377
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Do we hear this noise always at 3-4k? or just on the deceleration side or the acceleration side? I heard something similar to what you're describing on my redbird, but it only seems to sound like "marbles" on the deceleration side (when I use the copious amounts engine drag to slow down) I just ordered a new lifter set from john, (along with a couple other things) but it seems a bit early for this problem (just over 11k on my bike)
__________________ Šuane "98% of all Harleys ever sold are still on the road. The other 2% made it all the way home."  |
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04-28-2008, 6:15 PM
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| Join Date: Mar 22 2008 Location: Barrie ON. Bike(s): 2000XX Age: 42 Posts: 58
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The Honda service manual says to turn the tensioner shaft fully clockwises prior to removing the CCT. If you don't have the stopper tool, what do you do and what can you use instead of the stopper tool??
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05-26-2008, 9:17 AM
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 Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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I have exactly the same symptoms in my -99 with 22000km. The rattle sound doesn't exist in steady 2000-4000rpm, only when decelerating. Could this be something else, maybe some resonance from fairing, cooler etc? I surely hope so. Well I've already ordered new CCT, so I'll try it first. Jaska | |
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05-27-2008, 6:01 AM
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 Join Date: May 22 2008 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Bike(s): Red '03 xx Posts: 48
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I got similar problems as well, well i didnt bother at all until i read about the cct changing and ... mine '03 22000km bird started to make a tiny rattle sound at idle and when going up to 4000 the rattle just increases, speen only i guess (cos i cant hear proper at that rpm  )but from my previous bikes ( 900RR, srad, R1 ) i know for a fact that they automatically (somehow :S) adjust the tension on cam chain. And rattle sound almost always disappear after 1~2k kms.. they got like a spring system in their cct's and got about 10-15 clicks, i think, every click makes tension harder etc. And all my bikes had CCT's in a very very difficult place to reach. So one starts to wonder, does BB automaticly adjust tension, or you just need to replace, every 20k kms or so? I never replaced in any of my bikes by the way... Also Jaska, when you're decelerating, does the front seems to shake as well? it could well be brakes rattling, or disc surface unstable. By the way shame on terasbetoni, really liked the song  |
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05-27-2008, 6:47 AM
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| Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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Yeah, you're talking about finland and eurovision contest, they don't make a good match!  The CCT however, I think it should be fully automatic also in BB. I explained wrongly in my previous post, the rattling sound is present when just revving the engine at neutral. Sound is gone when opening throttle but appears immediatly when RPM starts to drop. Sounds just like some resonance... Weird. Brakes are fine. | |
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05-27-2008, 7:06 AM
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| Join Date: May 22 2008 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Bike(s): Red '03 xx Posts: 48
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hmm, can it be the clutch? does the sound goes away when you squeeze the clutch lever? if so, then nothing to worry at all.. 9 in 10 bikes* have the same problem  *statistics are not accurate and only imo |
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05-27-2008, 9:02 AM
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| Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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05-27-2008, 11:28 AM
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| Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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Thank You John01XX!!  Got my CCT & keyring today and it only took a week!! I'm sure that if I'd ordered the CCT from a local dealer, it would had taken a month with double price.. Now I'll get my hands dirty! Thanks again! -Jaskaxx |
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05-27-2008, 3:16 PM
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| Join Date: Feb 26 2008 Location: Northeast Ohio Bike(s): 2001 CBR1100XX (The Red Year) Age: 24 Posts: 377
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I got mine swapped, it solved the problem... great stuff, thanks again john
__________________ Šuane "98% of all Harleys ever sold are still on the road. The other 2% made it all the way home." |
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05-29-2008, 10:50 AM
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 Join Date: Feb 16 2008 Location: nj Bike(s): Blackbird what else? Posts: 42
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My bird started to make that rattle around 2k rpm. You can start it up and there is the rattle. So I will be pming john to get the cct. I called the local mechanic in my area to listen to the bike and he said that he is backed up a full week with bikes to be fixed. I am not that mechanically inclined, but am willing to get the job done. Even if I have to pay someone to do it. So wish me luck guys. Help is also appreciated. Especially help from south Jersey and Philly.  |
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05-30-2008, 2:30 PM
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| Vendor  Join Date: Oct 31 2006 Location: So. Flo-da Bike(s): 2001 Red Bird Posts: 884
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It is an easy do it yourself job even for the mechanically challenged. Invest the 45 minutes to do it yourself and develop a strong bonding relationaship with your Bird in the mean time !! |
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06-05-2008, 2:07 AM
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| Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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Well, the new CCT is now installed and the rattling sound decreased but didn't entirely disappear. There's still little rattle when giving throttle, but I guess that's normal.. By the way, the replacement was really easy thing to do.
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06-12-2008, 11:50 AM
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 Join Date: Mar 11 2008 Location: Ft. Thomas, KY (Greater Cincinnati) Bike(s): 1997 Blackbird. 19,000 miles. 1998 Superhawk Posts: 8
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Are you talking about using a Kaw ZX-11 cam chain tensioner instead of the Honda part? I got that impression, but the pic is showing the part on a Honda parts bag. Please clarify. Also, I read one post elsewhere with concern regarding the tension amount of the zx-11 tensioner. More pressure?? More wear on the guide? Thanks. By the way. My cct went out all at once; instant nasty noise. Very quite prior. |
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06-12-2008, 1:39 PM
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| Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Finland Bike(s): 1999 stock XX Posts: 7
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06-12-2008, 2:44 PM
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| Join Date: Jul 06 2007 Location: Dallas, Or Bike(s): 1998 CBR 1100XX Posts: 7
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Just replaced the CCT Lifter. All buzzing at the 3-4k range GONE! On a side note, shifting seems better/tighter. Could this be related? Thanks, -R |
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06-12-2008, 3:04 PM
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| Join Date: Mar 11 2008 Location: Ft. Thomas, KY (Greater Cincinnati) Bike(s): 1997 Blackbird. 19,000 miles. 1998 Superhawk Posts: 8
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Thanks for the info.
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06-12-2008, 3:16 PM
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| Join Date: Mar 11 2008 Location: Ft. Thomas, KY (Greater Cincinnati) Bike(s): 1997 Blackbird. 19,000 miles. 1998 Superhawk Posts: 8
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My mechanic tells me that a new auto tension lifter (cct) does not always fix the problem. He leans toward a manually adjusted tensioner, involving a full check of the cam chain to make sure it hasn't stretched / inspection of other internals. This was an "all of a sudden" thing for me and it made a very distinct noise as soon as it happened. I'm reading here that others have had a long lasting noise....at certain rev ranges. I'd rather throw a new lifter in and be done with it, but I don't want to miss something either. Comments please. Thanks.
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06-29-2008, 2:13 PM
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| Join Date: Dec 12 2007 Location: London Bike(s): Cbr 1100xx (prev kawasaki gpx750r,honda cb550,650) Age: 31 Posts: 37
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Hi guys.I have 30k milage. So is it worth to change tensioner only or cam chain too.I did 350 miles over weekend and now engine gives some quiet hits sounds.I think it is tensioner or chain.So my question is what do first?I could not find any info in xx manual when cam chain must be changed. I wnt to some shop today after long trip and noise just gone.So can xx give some noises after very long trip or maybe is better change this tensioner?Thanks. Last edited by wowerman : 06-29-2008 at 3:11 PM. |
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06-30-2008, 1:18 AM
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| Moderator  Join Date: Aug 31 2007 Location: Seaford, Victoria, Australia Bike(s): 2007 CBR1100XX Age: 41 Posts: 1,754
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Get a new CCT from Jaws, they are not that expensive. Does not take that long to fit. That'll tell you whether you need to look further at the cam chain in the future.
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06-30-2008, 6:17 PM
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 Join Date: Feb 15 2007 Location: Mount Olive, N.J. Bike(s): 2007 Triumph Sprint ST ABS**Sold**1998 CBR 1100XX Posts: 22
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man all I have to say you guy are the SH&*!!! For someone who is scared of anything that has to do wit a wrench you guys provided excellent feedback on the problem with my new 97 XX. The process took me about a half hour and that was taking off the plastic( I know you didn't have to but I had the crap allens and just figure since I am clueless is was just better off) Oh and guess what no more buzzing at 3-4grand RPM Wo ho I can fix something I would like to take this time and give John great props for very fast delivery(I order the parts on sat and in my mailbox on Monday  Now all I have to do is figur out how to install helis Bars and the Vista Throttle lock and I am good to go Greg NJ 1997 XX with 16456 on the clock and full Yosh system not much else yet. |
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07-16-2008, 7:27 PM
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 Join Date: Mar 31 2007 Location: Spotsylvania VA Bike(s): XX, KTM 300 MXC, YZ 80, KX 60, KTM 50 Age: 35 Posts: 37
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well I just ordered mine and install was fairly smooth. I took the key out before install. whoops!!! Got a small screw driver and wound it back up and put the key back in place. Installed the cct and cranked it up. Sounds great. Thanks again. What tool are you guys using to "torque" with allen keys? |
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07-17-2008, 12:20 PM
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07-17-2008, 3:43 PM
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| Join Date: Feb 16 2008 Location: Irl Bike(s): 99 Black, really Black Bird Posts: 32
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Changed mine today, what-a lovely sound now!!!!
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07-24-2008, 7:12 PM
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| Join Date: Mar 11 2008 Location: Ft. Thomas, KY (Greater Cincinnati) Bike(s): 1997 Blackbird. 19,000 miles. 1998 Superhawk Posts: 8
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Hello all, I ended up taking my mechanic's advise and had the manually adjusted cct installed. I never did have any strange sounds until it all happened at once. The new cct is great, but of course it did cost more to have |