honda blackbird cam chain tensioner

PJNXX · 02-05-2007, 4:43 PM

Yes, it's automatic. If you are hearing a 3k-4k rpm rattle, it's time to replace the CCT. Check with John01XX on this site for a great price.

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 4:57 PM

Do you have to open the engine at all or just take out the lifter which is the 2 bolts on the outside of the engine? Seems a little crazy if all I would need to do it replace the 2 bolts and throw in the new lifter and that stops the raddle from taking place. Does anyone know how this lifter set works? Talk to you soon. Thanks

haWHYnXX · 02-05-2007, 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelski19

Do you have to open the engine at all or just take out the lifter which is the 2 bolts on the outside of the engine? Seems a little crazy if all I would need to do it replace the 2 bolts and throw in the new lifter and that stops the raddle from taking place. Does anyone know how this lifter set works? Talk to you soon. Thanks

"CCT" is a misnomer. What you are actually replacing is the lifter set. It comes with a pin in the center hole. Replace the "CCT" by R/R the 2 bolts, then pull the pin from the center hole. It releases a spring that keeps tension on the "real" cam chain tensioner. That tension is what kills the rattle.

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 7:20 PM

Sounds good. What does R/R mean? Remove replace the bolts? So all it needs is the lifter set changed. Everything else is fine I would guess. Thanks guys-

haWHYnXX · 02-05-2007, 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelski19

What does R/R mean? Remove replace the bolts? So all it needs is the lifter set changed.

Yep, you got it (make sure you replace the lifter along with the bolts

).

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 7:55 PM

Why replace the bolts? The 2 bolts?

lois · 02-05-2007, 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelski19

Why replace the bolts? The 2 bolts?

It's just a term. R&R really means , remove the 2 bolts, replace the lifter, then put the original 2 bolts back in....

P.S a new gasket from Honda is around 10$ , but a little silicone works just as good.

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 8:33 PM

New gasket for me is $1.99 at honda. Should be ok. Hopefully that will help with the noise. I will try taking the 2 bolts out and putting a new lifter in.

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 9:01 PM

So I read the book and it's talking about a stopper tool. What the crap is this? I feel like if I take out the CCT my engine will fall apart. Does a stopped tool come with the new CCT?

PJNXX · 02-05-2007, 10:05 PM

The stopper tool is a 1mm thick piece of metal shaped like a key that is in the center of the lifter set. After you install the 2 bolts, you pull out the stopper.

gudgravy · 02-05-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lois

It isn't so much a question of like or Diss- like.

On one hand, my XX has 38000k and I was on my 3rd auto CCT. So, putting a manual unit on looked like the way to go.(made sense)

But, on the other hand.....

What I didn't (don't) like about the APE unit was, the fact the the instructions that came with it made perfect sense, until I read them a few times....and then they didn't. Also, while doing some research on installing the APE , I found that there were 12 different suggestions from different folks, on how to properly adjust the thing.

It would seem to me that for something as important as a manual CCT, there should only be 1 or 2 different ways to set one up....not 12.

As for the how it turned out...well, I do live in the artic, and can't fully test this CCT out until March in AZ. But, that being said, I have run and run the crap out of my engine in the shop, and so far so good.

Maybe I would recommend the APE to more people if there was a absolute clear set of instructions, that left no doubt.

But until APE or Warchild or myself, writes these instructions to go with the APE unit, I still say that the average guy, working out of his car garage with simple hand tools should stick to the Honda unit.

My buddy Richard (a seasoned bike mechanic or 22 years) put mine in a few days ago with no instructions and it works like a charm. No removal of the Top cover required! Really it is not as complicated as some would have it made out to be! Granted the stock CCT is plug-and-play but I like the APE because it is simple, almost never will go out of adjustment and I only have to buy it once! Good shit! My motor is not on For Sale/Wanted either. The only drawback that he said it would have is that my rubber CCT guide may wear faster but that is all. I recommend it after being confounded with the stock after only a few thousand miles.....

Angelski19 · 02-05-2007, 11:17 PM

Thanks for all the info. I didn't know that about the key. I wonder what happends when you take the key out. As long as it works I will be happy!

PJNXX · 02-06-2007, 7:13 AM

Read this previous post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by haWHYnXX

"CCT" is a misnomer. What you are actually replacing is the lifter set. It comes with a pin in the center hole. Replace the "CCT" by R/R the 2 bolts, then pull the pin from the center hole. It releases a spring that keeps tension on the "real" cam chain tensioner. That tension is what kills the rattle.

superxx · 03-01-2007, 7:52 PM

Hi,

113.000Km in my BB, and still original CCT.
But, there is some noise now... maybe is reaching the time to change.

SuperXX

Angelski19 · 03-04-2007, 10:27 AM

Hey guys. I replaced my CCT and the nosie is still there. Beware because this CCT may not in fact solve the problem. I will have to crack the engine and replace the chain itself as well as the guides that the chain slides on. Oh well, it was worth a shot at a cheep fix!!!

PJNXX · 04-16-2007, 10:23 PM

When replacing the CCT it is a good idea to keep the "stopper" tool (1mm thick key-shaped piece of metal) that you remove from the new CCT. You will need it again when checking your valve clearance. Prior to performing the actual check, this tool would first be inserted in the top of the CCT and turned in to take the tension off the cam chain. These directions are per the Factory Service Manual.

billypf · 04-25-2007, 5:42 PM

Do you just pull the old one out or is there something that you have to do before you pull it out ?

PJNXX · 04-25-2007, 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billypf

Do you just pull the old one out or is there something that you have to do before you pull it out ?

Just pull it out. Personally, I like to remove the 8mm bolt from the top of the CCT before removing the 2 socket head bolts, but it's not necessary to do so.

billypf · 04-25-2007, 8:30 PM

sounds good. Just double checking. I think that i will install mine this weekend. Since i wont be riding until i get my new chain. I may have to take out the old man's whale ( My dad's '96 yamaha royal Star)

slyxdevil · 05-04-2007, 11:56 AM

i just ordered one from john will have it tuesday!

02-05-2007, 4:43 PM	#21
PJNXX Moderator Join Date: Nov 12 2006 Location: Medford, NY Age: 41 Posts: 2,104	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Yes, it's automatic. If you are hearing a 3k-4k rpm rattle, it's time to replace the CCT. Check with John01XX on this site for a great price. __________________ -Paul

02-05-2007, 4:57 PM	#22
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Do you have to open the engine at all or just take out the lifter which is the 2 bolts on the outside of the engine? Seems a little crazy if all I would need to do it replace the 2 bolts and throw in the new lifter and that stops the raddle from taking place. Does anyone know how this lifter set works? Talk to you soon. Thanks

02-05-2007, 7:20 PM	#24
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Sounds good. What does R/R mean? Remove replace the bolts? So all it needs is the lifter set changed. Everything else is fine I would guess. Thanks guys-

02-05-2007, 7:55 PM	#26
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Why replace the bolts? The 2 bolts?

02-05-2007, 8:33 PM	#28
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement New gasket for me is $1.99 at honda. Should be ok. Hopefully that will help with the noise. I will try taking the 2 bolts out and putting a new lifter in.

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02-05-2007, 9:01 PM	#29
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement So I read the book and it's talking about a stopper tool. What the crap is this? I feel like if I take out the CCT my engine will fall apart. Does a stopped tool come with the new CCT?

02-05-2007, 10:05 PM	#30
PJNXX Moderator Join Date: Nov 12 2006 Location: Medford, NY Age: 41 Posts: 2,104	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement The stopper tool is a 1mm thick piece of metal shaped like a key that is in the center of the lifter set. After you install the 2 bolts, you pull out the stopper. __________________ -Paul

02-05-2007, 11:17 PM	#32
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Thanks for all the info. I didn't know that about the key. I wonder what happends when you take the key out. As long as it works I will be happy!

03-01-2007, 7:52 PM	#34
superxx Join Date: Feb 18 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 12	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Hi, 113.000Km in my BB, and still original CCT. But, there is some noise now... maybe is reaching the time to change. SuperXX

03-04-2007, 10:27 AM	#35
Angelski19 Join Date: Jan 17 2007 Location: New York Posts: 24	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Hey guys. I replaced my CCT and the nosie is still there. Beware because this CCT may not in fact solve the problem. I will have to crack the engine and replace the chain itself as well as the guides that the chain slides on. Oh well, it was worth a shot at a cheep fix!!!

04-16-2007, 10:23 PM	#36
PJNXX Moderator Join Date: Nov 12 2006 Location: Medford, NY Age: 41 Posts: 2,104	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement When replacing the CCT it is a good idea to keep the "stopper" tool (1mm thick key-shaped piece of metal) that you remove from the new CCT. You will need it again when checking your valve clearance. Prior to performing the actual check, this tool would first be inserted in the top of the CCT and turned in to take the tension off the cam chain. These directions are per the Factory Service Manual. __________________ -Paul

04-25-2007, 5:42 PM	#37
billypf Join Date: Mar 20 2007 Location: Elgin, IL Age: 23 Posts: 702	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement Do you just pull the old one out or is there something that you have to do before you pull it out ?

04-25-2007, 8:30 PM	#39
billypf Join Date: Mar 20 2007 Location: Elgin, IL Age: 23 Posts: 702	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement sounds good. Just double checking. I think that i will install mine this weekend. Since i wont be riding until i get my new chain. I may have to take out the old man's whale ( My dad's '96 yamaha royal Star)

05-04-2007, 11:56 AM	#40
slyxdevil Join Date: May 02 2007 Location: sussex nj Posts: 228	Re: Blackbird Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement i just ordered one from john will have it tuesday! __________________ hard to steer when the devils driving,brakes who needs em they only slow you down NOW ROCK ME UP TO 135!!

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