licensing requirements?

CanadianBird · 07-31-2008, 10:55 AM

So I guess you need a PHD in goblygook to ride in Italy? What do you need to drive a Farrari?

Bordo · 07-31-2008, 10:31 PM

Valentino Rossi would be the only one with a licence over there. I thought we had a lot of rules and regs but nothing like Italy it seems.

Master20013 · 08-01-2008, 5:52 AM

I know it may seem difficult to do but thanks to good way with which instructors and examiners deal with the argument is easier than it seems!

TimmoNZ · 08-18-2008, 2:51 PM

in Aussie all you need to be is 30. ?The NSW gov thinks that at 30yrs old, crucial riding knolledge magically beams down from the heavens and elightens every car driver; giving people outside the "designated areas" the divine right to ride ANYTHING we choose. WTF? you might ask. i wonder how many midlife crisis riders have been killed due to thinking that they can handle it without doing the compulsory L course.
At least they enforce the courses on city riders, i'd reckon they are most at risk.

Doug66 · 08-22-2008, 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianBird

So I guess you need a PHD in goblygook to ride in Italy? What do you need to drive a Farrari?

I beleive he's used BableFish Translator, basically it looks like low speed tests on a very low capacity bike.

The hard stuff is getting all the qualifications! Medical, a bike that meets the standards, etc....

Doug66 · 08-22-2008, 7:31 PM

Thirsty.

The cost has decreased the amount of people doing the training/license. I spoke with a young lad only this week who told me it cost too much and is out riding a 600cc without a license.

There must be middle ground, I can see the death/accident rate going up again if they don't. (With our state I can't see people being arrested for not having a license.. they are having enough trouble maintaining the law as is...bad driving behaviour just seems to get a blind eye....jeez now you got me started

<steps of soap box>...)

I just hope that people realise that the basic training and licensing is the start, and that they get told to practice, talk and read and do an advanced riding course on a closed track (braking/corning) after a little while, to really become proficient.

Thirsty · 08-22-2008, 8:25 PM

Doug66,

I agree completely. When I was younger I used to ride around without a licence. This was in QLD in the early 80's. I eventually got my licence but when I moved interstate to ACT I didn't renew the motorcycle part because I didn't have a bike and wasn't riding anymore.

Just recently I've become involved again and didn't have a licence so I had to go do the course. It was pretty scary the lack of skills of some of the younger people. I can't believe they can go out on the road barely knowing how to ride and with no instruction on how to ride on the road.

With the quality of the drivers we have here in SA I reckon an onroad component should definately be part of the course. Riding safely has a lot more to do with situational awareness of other road users than it does with being able to ride a bike properly so they really ought to teach that.

The cost is unbelievable - there can be no justification for it. The course is provided by government employees and it's only a total of 12 hours instruction. Not bad money for the government - $50 per hour for 10 students at a time = $500 per hour. I really don't understand the reasoning behind that decision to increase the cost.

One thing that happened on the first part of my course (no-one attending would have had a licence to ride a bike) was funny but showed that some people really shouldn't get a licence.

A young guy showed up for the course with short sleeves - he was asked if he had any clothing with long sleeves. He said no so they refused him entry to the course. We watched as he walked back to the carpark, put on his motorcycle jacket and helmet, jumped on his bike and road away!!!! He didn't realise his motorcycle jacket had long sleeves??

Bazzarips · 08-23-2008, 5:07 PM

I did a course and i believe you learn a lot from them, however, i don't believe that there needs to be a harder test, there will always be a better idiot.

also, if you can afford a 600cc bike you can afford the course.

Thirsty · 08-23-2008, 8:34 PM

It's not a matter of affording the course per se, it's more the government trying to profit from something they should be doing for free to make sure riders are trained properly.

Most young guys would have trouble coming up with the $600 and will most likely just ride unlicenced which defeats the purpose of having the course in the first place.

The course fee was doubled a couple of years ago - at least it was sort of reasonable then.

I also didn't say there should be a harder test. I said there needs to be an on-road component so testing officers can make sure riders are capable of dealing with the traffic while remembering how to ride the bike.

I reckon we could have done away with half of the basic course and done some onroad riding for teh second half. What the hell, nothing will change. It never does with the idiots in charge.

Bazzarips · 08-26-2008, 4:39 AM

you have to remember the insurance on a business like that would be crazy.

also my course did have an on road segment. we spent the second half of the second day on the road.

coolhand · 08-26-2008, 5:27 AM

These are the requirements in Norway ( a bit simplified, the rules are a bit complicated - especially concerning what age you are and what bike you can drive):

- Elementary traffic course: 17 hours theoretical.
- Advanced theoretical training: 3 hours
- Elementary driving skills: 4 hours driving lessons (of which 3 should be on a closed-off training ground).
- Advanced driving skills: 8 hours of driving and theoretical teaching.

After this, you have to pass a theoretical test (score about 90% of some 60 multiple.choice questions) and a practical driving test with a sensor (about 1- 1.5- hours).

Most people need to have to have about 10 -15 hours of driving lessons, in addition to the above, to pass the practical and theoretical tests.

After this, you may drive:

- Age 18-20 can drive a bike with max 600 cc and max 34 hp.
- Age 20 with two years of experience of driving a MC can drive any bike.
- If you have no prior riding experience, you have to be 21 to be allowed to drive a motorcycle with more than 600cc/34hp.

CanadianBird · 08-26-2008, 9:44 AM

What 600 cc motorcycle only has 34 hp? Who would buy a bike with only 34 hp? In BC, don't get caught without a drivers, class 6 motorcycle licence. Licencing should be both stringent and affordable, in my opinion. A course is around 6-700 bucks in BC so this often disuades new riders. Every student I've taught who rides, has had an accident in the first year. They just don't have wrist control,

us seniors have. Hell, the first question kids tend to ask me aside from cost, is, "Do you do wheelies?" I guess squids are born not made. European standards are high, I think given the population and differsity or countries that's a good thing.

coolhand · 08-26-2008, 9:55 AM

Any standard 600 can be fitted with a mod kit that chokes the engine down to 34 hk.

This kind of kits excist for CBR600F, ZX6, among other bikes. Also, a VT600 Shadow comes in a 34 hk edition.

The Norwegian rules are EU-based, and the importers of motorcycles has a lot of models that will comply with the EU-rules.