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zwhits9 · 05-18-2009, 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beestoys

Looking to instal this next weekend but looking to use a right control off a goldwing it has all of the switch inputs on/off accel/decel resume built in. I'll take pics after its on for you all.

sounds interesting. could be pretty cool. Show pics!

DeathWish01 · 05-18-2009, 1:57 AM

i finally got around to reading the entire article, ive just been looking at the pictures, whats the difference between this and a throttle lock? a throttle lock locks the throttle (obviously) and since this device only sees the tach.... whats the point? if it read the speedo that would be severely different and more interesting to me... the only upside i see w/ this, is it turns off if you hit the brake, and i didn't see it mentioned in the article, but what would happen if you pulled the clutch? i know (on accident) with my throttle lock, if i hit the clutch the engine revs and you have to be carefull re-engaging the clutch....
just something im pondering on <shrugs>
is there a servo you can get that does actually measure speedo vs tacho (not that it really matters, it would take a pretty large hill to jump speed and tach combination)
however i did take a trip to the town over (100 miles) and i finally got to actually road test my throttlemeister, and i actually really like it, its kind of a pain to pull the clutch, semi-set the the throttlemeister so its not full friction, then tweeking the throttle, then locking the throttlemeister to full friction (even tho you can still tweek it w/ a decent amount of pressure).... anyway rant over just curious what the differences are and if i read the article right

Uglystick · 05-18-2009, 2:31 AM

DW it operates in exactly the same way a car cruise control works.

It will hold you speed at the point you hit the set button. It really make no differance whether it reads tach or speed as long as it holds. (it may even be better to hold tach as revs will start to bleed earlier than speed)

It should cease to operate on use of clutch or brake use.

This form of cruise control is more efficient that the throttlemeister as it maintains a contant speed uphill or down, where the TM will loose speed uphill and gain speed down.

shewie · 05-18-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beestoys

Looking to instal this next weekend but looking to use a right control off a goldwing it has all of the switch inputs on/off accel/decel resume built in. I'll take pics after its on for you all.

Pics! Pics! Yes please!! Some taken during the install would be nice, too. This is one of my "for sure" mods that I will absolutely be doing in the near future, so I would appreciate as many pics as you care to take.

Scott.

DeathWish01 · 05-18-2009, 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uglystick

DW it operates in exactly the same way a car cruise control works.

It will hold you speed at the point you hit the set button. It really make no differance whether it reads tach or speed as long as it holds. (it may even be better to hold tach as revs will start to bleed earlier than speed)

It should cease to operate on use of clutch or brake use.

This form of cruise control is more efficient that the throttlemeister as it maintains a contant speed uphill or down, where the TM will loose speed uphill and gain speed down.

ok i hear what your saying, the throttle lock locks the throttle rather then the tacho unless your riding a flat road... didn't think of that... but i would much more prefer a speedo control rather then tacho...
but i hear what your saying

if it didn't look like a bish to install i would put one on myself, and well some of you know how hard of a time i had soldering the acumen oiler LOL

Growler67 · 05-18-2009, 4:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathWish01

ok i hear what your saying, the throttle lock locks the throttle rather then the tacho unless your riding a flat road... didn't think of that... but i would much more prefer a speedo control rather then tacho...
but i hear what your saying

if it didn't look like a bish to install i would put one on myself, and well some of you know how hard of a time i had soldering the acumen oiler LOL

Then you might be looking for the "automotive styled" one available in Australia and it isn't cheap by a long shot, not to mention shipping and possibly duties on getting it to the US. It's a sharp unit, though.

Hillbilly4eva · 05-18-2009, 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathWish01

but i would much more prefer a speedo control rather then tacho...

Not sure why you think it would matter. Even if the cruise control was tapped into the Vehicle Speed Signal, it is still based off of Engine RPM.

Banshee · 05-18-2009, 6:47 PM

The one from Oz, (that I had on my '98), used to use a pickup mounted at the rear wheel & supplied 3 neodymium magnets that fitted neatly in the hex screws that hold the rear disc in place. Perfect speed control. It would drop off on clutch, brake or stop/run switch flick. It also had a very neat double drum arrangement for the throttle cables so there wasn't any chain to attach. I found it worked down to around 40km/h. Below that it would not engage.

Yes, it costs. But it is designed to work with the specific bike, so you are paying for their design work & time.

beestoys · 06-10-2009, 2:09 AM

Ok folks
I know its been a while but it took a bit longer than I expected to get all the pieces I wanted.
I should be able to finish the install this weekend and I will post a step by step with pics and pointer for all.
The switch assembly is on the bird and works great but then it came off a Honda originally. So it looks like it should be there anyway. I only had to splice one wire so far and I will give color codes of the wires. It has been a one for one swap so far using the stock plug and the wire colors even match.
I opted for a fully electronic drive so that the vacuum issues some have had won't be a problem. It's about 100.00 more than the vacuum motor unit but should be able to drive at lower speeds.
So far here is the price breakout
Handle bar switch 50.00 from a local salvage yard. I have seen them on EBay as low as 35.00
Cruise control 189.00 plus shipping brought it to 204.00
I'll get the details and pics this weekend.
I'll probably post it as a new thread as well and just drop the link to it here for you all.

shewie · 06-10-2009, 9:34 PM

Beestoys, please include your sources in your post!

beestoys · 06-11-2009, 12:51 AM

Sure enough Shewie
The cruise control came off Ebay from
eBay Store - audiovideo4me: car stereo mounting kits, car stereo install packages, cruise control

I got started wiring the unit tonight and I am going to need to change the fusing parts they use. They are standard blade units and I am changing them to the mini's like our bikes use. There is also going to be some wire shortening as this was designed for a car so there is plenty of excess. I'll be changing the connectors to GM weather packs. They are available at most auto parts stores and NAPA. That way everyone should be able to match the setup I used. There will be a list of part numbers as well for you all. Using the weather paks should keep down the need to solder to many connections making it easier to build.
The units cable length seems just right for our setup. The drive unit is located in the tail above the computer and uses the same bolt that holds the seat latching mechanism and will most likely attach similar to zwhits.
Ok I'll close up and see about sourcing some parts to get this done.
Take care and have a good night

shewie · 06-11-2009, 11:54 PM

Beauty! Thanks! I look forward to your thread.

beestoys · 06-24-2009, 1:34 AM

Here's the pics of the handlebar switch
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4995/blackbird.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/853/blackbird1.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3949/blackbird2.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6108/blackbird3.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8573/blackbird4.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6441/blackbird5.jpg

shewie · 06-24-2009, 9:17 AM

Much better, thanks beestoys.

beestoys · 06-24-2009, 11:21 PM

Your welcome Lois.
Also have an update on the speedo pulse. Talked with thier tech today and they make a divider for high output situations. cuts the pulse rate by 4 so our 80K rate is reduced to 20K which the electronic unit can process.
They are also pro bike unlike Audiovox Joe said if I had called a couple years earlier he would have had to refuse do to liability. But they figure we were going to figure a way to mod them so they are supporting now. He told me he had a victory in the shop now they were fitting a unit to and that he has put them on Busa's as well. He gave me a contact for the divider and I will give them a call tomorrow. I will see if they have the vacumm drive units as well.

shewie · 06-25-2009, 8:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beestoys

Your welcome Lois.

Thanks for the info, but.....are you talking to me?

beestoys · 06-25-2009, 10:46 PM

dammit
mind slip

shewie · 06-26-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beestoys

dammit
mind slip

You mean 'Freudian slip'. I had that happen to me once. I meant to ask my ex to pass the salt but what actually came out was "you f-ing bitch, you ruined my life".

We don't talk much anymore...

graysclassics · 07-02-2009, 7:03 PM

Sorry if this question has already been asked - does this work on an older carbed bike? My bird is a 1997. Thanks from across the pond...

beestoys · 07-02-2009, 11:13 PM

Grey
Yes it will you will just need to find the cruise on ebay. Thats about the only other place I can think of that still has them.
Also an update on my install. It is complete, got the divider in last night and need to make some fine tuning adjustments but the divider did the trick to get her to read. I am also finishing up the step by step I'll post it up. Give it a once over and if their are any missed spots let me know and I'll get them filled in.

graysclassics · 07-03-2009, 3:34 AM

Great, could be the answer to my prayers! I may loose my licence for a month shortly after being pulled by a unmarked police car at between 105-116mph.

(lucky for him I was just cruising or he would never have cought me!) I love my blackbird and dont want to change it for an unfaired bike - but I need to slow down as I average 120mph every time I ride it. Maybee if I set the cruise to say 85, I might keep my licence next time. Will check eBay for kits.

beestoys · 07-05-2009, 12:57 AM

Ok done just couldn't figure out how to get the pics posted here so I linked them. Look it over and if you have any questions let me know and I'll edit it where it's needed.

http://www.cbrxx.com/body-paint-elec...e-control.html

05-18-2009, 2:31 AM	#33
Uglystick Administrator Join Date: Oct 08 2007 Location: Australia Age: 49 Posts: 1,592	Re: Cruise Control DW it operates in exactly the same way a car cruise control works. It will hold you speed at the point you hit the set button. It really make no differance whether it reads tach or speed as long as it holds. (it may even be better to hold tach as revs will start to bleed earlier than speed) It should cease to operate on use of clutch or brake use. This form of cruise control is more efficient that the throttlemeister as it maintains a contant speed uphill or down, where the TM will loose speed uphill and gain speed down. __________________ Laying in bed and crying "Oh God!" does not Constitute going to church

05-18-2009, 6:47 PM	#38
Banshee Join Date: Jun 21 2007 Location: Springwood, West of Hell (Sydney), Australia Age: 43 Posts: 1,082	Re: Cruise Control The one from Oz, (that I had on my '98), used to use a pickup mounted at the rear wheel & supplied 3 neodymium magnets that fitted neatly in the hex screws that hold the rear disc in place. Perfect speed control. It would drop off on clutch, brake or stop/run switch flick. It also had a very neat double drum arrangement for the throttle cables so there wasn't any chain to attach. I found it worked down to around 40km/h. Below that it would not engage. Yes, it costs. But it is designed to work with the specific bike, so you are paying for their design work & time.

06-10-2009, 2:09 AM	#39
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Ok folks I know its been a while but it took a bit longer than I expected to get all the pieces I wanted. I should be able to finish the install this weekend and I will post a step by step with pics and pointer for all. The switch assembly is on the bird and works great but then it came off a Honda originally. So it looks like it should be there anyway. I only had to splice one wire so far and I will give color codes of the wires. It has been a one for one swap so far using the stock plug and the wire colors even match. I opted for a fully electronic drive so that the vacuum issues some have had won't be a problem. It's about 100.00 more than the vacuum motor unit but should be able to drive at lower speeds. So far here is the price breakout Handle bar switch 50.00 from a local salvage yard. I have seen them on EBay as low as 35.00 Cruise control 189.00 plus shipping brought it to 204.00 I'll get the details and pics this weekend. I'll probably post it as a new thread as well and just drop the link to it here for you all.

06-10-2009, 9:34 PM	#40
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 5,723	Re: Cruise Control Beestoys, please include your sources in your post! __________________ If you don't like the way I ride then stay off the sidewalk.

06-11-2009, 12:51 AM	#41
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Sure enough Shewie The cruise control came off Ebay from eBay Store - audiovideo4me: car stereo mounting kits, car stereo install packages, cruise control I got started wiring the unit tonight and I am going to need to change the fusing parts they use. They are standard blade units and I am changing them to the mini's like our bikes use. There is also going to be some wire shortening as this was designed for a car so there is plenty of excess. I'll be changing the connectors to GM weather packs. They are available at most auto parts stores and NAPA. That way everyone should be able to match the setup I used. There will be a list of part numbers as well for you all. Using the weather paks should keep down the need to solder to many connections making it easier to build. The units cable length seems just right for our setup. The drive unit is located in the tail above the computer and uses the same bolt that holds the seat latching mechanism and will most likely attach similar to zwhits. Ok I'll close up and see about sourcing some parts to get this done. Take care and have a good night

06-11-2009, 11:54 PM	#42
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 5,723	Re: Cruise Control Beauty! Thanks! I look forward to your thread. __________________ If you don't like the way I ride then stay off the sidewalk.

06-24-2009, 1:34 AM	#43
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Here's the pics of the handlebar switch http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4995/blackbird.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/853/blackbird1.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3949/blackbird2.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6108/blackbird3.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8573/blackbird4.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6441/blackbird5.jpg

06-24-2009, 9:17 AM	#44
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 5,723	Re: Cruise Control Much better, thanks beestoys. __________________ If you don't like the way I ride then stay off the sidewalk.

06-24-2009, 11:21 PM	#45
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Your welcome Lois. Also have an update on the speedo pulse. Talked with thier tech today and they make a divider for high output situations. cuts the pulse rate by 4 so our 80K rate is reduced to 20K which the electronic unit can process. They are also pro bike unlike Audiovox Joe said if I had called a couple years earlier he would have had to refuse do to liability. But they figure we were going to figure a way to mod them so they are supporting now. He told me he had a victory in the shop now they were fitting a unit to and that he has put them on Busa's as well. He gave me a contact for the divider and I will give them a call tomorrow. I will see if they have the vacumm drive units as well.

06-25-2009, 10:46 PM	#47
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control dammit mind slip

07-02-2009, 7:03 PM	#49
graysclassics Join Date: Jul 02 2009 Location: Essex England Posts: 8	Re: Cruise Control Sorry if this question has already been asked - does this work on an older carbed bike? My bird is a 1997. Thanks from across the pond...

07-02-2009, 11:13 PM	#50
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Grey Yes it will you will just need to find the cruise on ebay. Thats about the only other place I can think of that still has them. Also an update on my install. It is complete, got the divider in last night and need to make some fine tuning adjustments but the divider did the trick to get her to read. I am also finishing up the step by step I'll post it up. Give it a once over and if their are any missed spots let me know and I'll get them filled in.

07-03-2009, 3:34 AM	#51
graysclassics Join Date: Jul 02 2009 Location: Essex England Posts: 8	Re: Cruise Control Great, could be the answer to my prayers! I may loose my licence for a month shortly after being pulled by a unmarked police car at between 105-116mph. (lucky for him I was just cruising or he would never have cought me!) I love my blackbird and dont want to change it for an unfaired bike - but I need to slow down as I average 120mph every time I ride it. Maybee if I set the cruise to say 85, I might keep my licence next time. Will check eBay for kits.

07-05-2009, 12:57 AM	#52
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 353	Re: Cruise Control Ok done just couldn't figure out how to get the pics posted here so I linked them. Look it over and if you have any questions let me know and I'll edit it where it's needed. http://www.cbrxx.com/body-paint-elec...e-control.html

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