General CBR XX Discussion: General Discussion of the Honda CBR 1100 XX Super Blackbird that does not fit into the other specific forums.
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How come bike color affect its top speed ?
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09-14-2008, 2:17 AM
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#1411 | Join Date: Jun 08 2008 Location: Brisbane Australia Bike(s): 1998 CBR1100XX Super Blackbird Posts: 409
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[quote=Strek;65194]Regardless of our conversation here on color and speed I find it interesting that there could be comments on riding and shifting from watching a video. There is a lot that you cannot determine from a video. Depth perception is different in the seat as a person is riding it then what it might appear on a vid. You also don't have a feeling for tire adhesion/grip and the real lean angle of a bike just from a vid. Until you have riden a stretch at speed more then a couple of times I would think that it would be hard to know yourself if you were selecting the right gear or if someone else in a video had the right gear selection.
Obviously comments coming from an inexperienced rider. Look through the corners my uneducated friend. It is very simple. But then being on the slowest of BB's I guess that it is all somewhat new to you. The topic of Speed ! |
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09-14-2008, 8:10 AM
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#1412 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
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Originally Posted by Strek Regardless of our conversation here on color and speed I find it interesting that there could be comments on riding and shifting from watching a video. There is a lot that you cannot determine from a video. Depth perception is different in the seat as a person is riding it then what it might appear on a vid. You also don't have a feeling for tire adhesion/grip and the real lean angle of a bike just from a vid. Until you have riden a stretch at speed more then a couple of times I would think that it would be hard to know yourself if you were selecting the right gear or if someone else in a video had the right gear selection. The other thing (and someone else mentioned this)is that FasterSpider is not on a closed track. He has to watch out for cages bicyclist animals and other motorcycles. Lets face it not everyone can be lucky enough to have a Blackbird no matter the color (slower or faster that you might also have to dodge if you were also lucky enough to have one of the faster of fastest colors) and I'm sure that there are some baggers that might be traveling that road at times that you would have to watch out for. I do have to say that I wish that we had some of those kind of roads around here. |
Ha, you were probably so scared you had to watch the video from between your fingures......then after, you either needed to lay on the floor until your brain quit spinning, or had to call one of those telephone "help" lines because you thought the speed had driven you insane.....
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09-14-2008, 10:54 AM
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#1413 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 358
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Originally Posted by Strek I do have to say that I wish that we had some of those kind of roads around here. | I am looking forward to the day when you and I ride together Strek, I will even slow down my Red Bird so you can keep up |
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09-14-2008, 3:49 PM
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#1414 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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Continued hijack.
If you've ridden for awhile, you can tell a lot about speed, throttle control, lines, shift and braking points, etc. in a ride video.
Someone used to Florida riding could easily get in over their heads on a downhill run like FS posted. Speeds between 30 and 60 mph don't seem that fast, and they aren't, if the road is flat or you're going uphill. Downhill is a whole nother ballgame. And so is riding where there's a preponderance of law enforcement.
As I intimated to before, we've all seen plenty of Youtube videos with riders doing extremely squidly things on their bikes. I'm impressed by the overall skill of these things, but I don't generally respect it due to the venues. It's only a matter of time before luck runs out and people get hurt or worse.
Riding the fastest bike in the world won't help you if your skills aren't up to the task. Like FS, its always better to hone your riding skills on a red or black machine before stepping up to the superior power of a silver one.
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09-14-2008, 5:56 PM
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#1415 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 358
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Originally Posted by Logoman Someone used to Florida riding could easily get in over their heads on a downhill run like FS posted. Speeds between 30 and 60 mph don't seem that fast, and they aren't, if the road is flat or you're going uphill. Downhill is a whole nother ballgame. And so is riding where there's a preponderance of law enforcement.
Riding the fastest bike in the world won't help you if your skills aren't up to the task. Like FS, its always better to hone your riding skills on a red or black machine before stepping up to the superior power of a silver one. | I have to agree with you on a certain point you made about riding fast down hill, it takes more than balls, it takes skill which I do not feel that I have.
I am an intermediate rider that happens to have the biggest & nicest Sport Bike Honda ever made, a Red CBR1100XX Super Blackbird.
Today was spent riding my Red CBX which happens to be the fastest of the CBXs just because she is red. |
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09-14-2008, 6:34 PM
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#1416 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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Originally Posted by fasterspider I have to agree with you on a certain point you made about riding fast down hill, it takes more than balls, it takes skill which I do not feel that I have.
I am an intermediate rider that happens to have the biggest & nicest Sport Bike Honda ever made, a Red CBR1100XX Super Blackbird.
Today was spent riding my Red CBX which happens to be the fastest of the CBXs just because she is red. | Except for the slow color and a seat so low it would give me blood clots, that's a nice bike. Too bad the red ones have a dummy cylinder at either end of the engine block. Oh well, like the red XX's, at least it looks impressive to the uninitiated and having only 4 real cylinders does keep the weight and repair bills down. |
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09-14-2008, 6:59 PM
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#1417 | Join Date: May 16 2008 Location: Studio City, Ca Bike(s): Red 79 CBX and a Red 01 CBR1100XX Age: 46 Posts: 358
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Originally Posted by Logoman that's a nice bike.
does keep repair bills down. | Thank you.
There are no repair bills on my CBX.
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09-14-2008, 8:23 PM
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#1418 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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Originally Posted by fasterspider Thank you.
There are no repair bills on my CBX. | 'Course not. It's a Honda.
Just trying to keep the thread on track with the other crap. You understand.
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09-14-2008, 9:59 PM
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#1419 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
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Originally Posted by Logoman 'Course not. It's a Honda.
Just trying to keep the thread on track with the other crap. You understand. |
Ah, such wise words coming from a cat in a hat....a lot of people don't realize just how wise a cat in a hat can truley be.
I mean really, think about it, on one hand you have a cat, and on the other hat.....I never realized how handy a portable red and white striped litter box could be....or how stylish.....and your giving one of the greatest California canyon riders of all time grief about his bikes?????
At any rate, I can assure the rest of you, beyond a shadow of a doubt , that even if our RED XX's only had one cylinder, the rest of you poser's would still be eating our dust up or down any hill in the country.
Don't listen to them FS, as their jealousy is eating them up inside.
Hey you wrong clour riders.....just do what bear says
__________________ RED IS SIMPLY THE FASTEST COLOUR
Last edited by lois : 09-18-2008 at 3:54 AM.
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09-14-2008, 10:20 PM
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#1420 | Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinios Bike(s): 1999 CBR1100XX and 1988 CBR1000F Stock & excellent Posts: 2,080
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[quote=PH005;65195] Quote:
Originally Posted by Strek Regardless of our conversation here on color and speed I find it interesting that there could be comments on riding and shifting from watching a video. There is a lot that you cannot determine from a video. Depth perception is different in the seat as a person is riding it then what it might appear on a vid. You also don't have a feeling for tire adhesion/grip and the real lean angle of a bike just from a vid. Until you have riden a stretch at speed more then a couple of times I would think that it would be hard to know yourself if you were selecting the right gear or if someone else in a video had the right gear selection.
Obviously comments coming from an inexperienced rider. Look through the corners my uneducated friend. It is very simple. But then being on the slowest of BB's I guess that it is all somewhat new to you. The topic of Speed !  |
PH005 That's right. I almost forgot... sis told me that on top of your skills in the bedroom that your are really the one and only retired Mick D. in disguise and that you are schooling Casey Stoner on your open weekends. When you start posting up videos like FasterSpider on similar terrian come back and post it up and then let all of the other arm chair quarterbacks comment on your riding skills. I won't because I don't believe its possible until you have been on that same stretch of road more then a few times yourself. Sis said that with all of your experience and skill that you only picked out a red bird to keep your speed down and sain enough for Casey to keep up. FasterSpiders redbird is most likely faster then yours since he has added that real nice pipe and power commander.
I've been riding for a while myself so I wouldn't consider myself inexperienced or unknowledgeable about shift points. I've done a few track days but just for fun. I did do them with a professional road racer at my side who was providing tips and coaching. Each time out my lap times improved. I have done a lot of drag racing in my earlier days both at the strip and street racing with money on the line. That was years ago. I have a lot of kids now so while I will ride my bike agressively I realize that I have a lot to live for and have nothing to prove. I would also readily admit that I don't have a lot of experience on roads like what FasterSpider has on his videos. I think bullet has posted up some similar videos from Greece. It's one of the reasons why I would like to get out to FasterSpiders neck of the woods to give them a try. No matter the color of bike or model I'm quite sure that FasterSpider would be going faster then me. But PH005 or I mean Mick... You of course are a different story and I know from talking with sis that you could school everyone on this forum if only you had a bike of equal ability. Getting back to the point of this thread... If you PAINT IT BLACK you will instantly gain a lot of speed. I also have often said that I live in flat land country. I also live in a very populated and heavy traffic congested area. I recently read that Chicago has 4 of the top ten busiest expressways in the US. I have to ride a good hour to get to places where I would even consider taking my TRUE BLACKbird out of impulse and into warp. Even then we don't have a lot of hills or twisty stuff around for me to hone riding skills like others who get to ride in that terrian everyday. I would have to ride out about 2-3 hours to get to some decent hilly terrian and then there are few twisties to go with them. My point was that even if you feel that someone else may have been on a wrong gear I don't believe that its a fair assesment until you have been out there with traffic yourself. Really though if you feel differently then thats cool. Most pros on tracks can make hundreds of passes on a the same track and change shift points as they continue to know the track/suspension/and tune their bikes. By the way I mentioned earlier that my sis is a real kidder. She did mention when she told me about you being Mick D and good in the bedroom that she was kidding about one of them. She just wouldn't tell me which one. |
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09-14-2008, 10:40 PM
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#1421 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
| This just in.... Florida rider takes his first corner......ever
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09-14-2008, 10:43 PM
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#1422 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
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Mean while back at the ranch, Logoman is putting the finishes touches on his new pipes by tuning them....
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09-15-2008, 1:36 PM
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#1423 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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Originally Posted by lois Ah, such wise words coming from a cat in a hat....a lot of people don't realize just how wise a cat in a hat can truley be.
I mean really, think about it, on one hand you have a cat, and on the other hat.....I never realized how handy a portable red and white striped litter box could be....or how stylish.....and your giving one of the greatest Claifornia canyon rides of all time grief about his bikes?????
At any rate, I can assure the rest of you, beyond a shadow of a doubt , that even if our RED XX's only had one cylinder, the rest of you poser's would still be eating our dust up or down any hill in the country.
Don't listen to them FS, as their jealousy is eating them up inside.
Hey you wrong clour riders.....just do what bear says | Yes, the Cat in the Hat is very wise, my friends. Listen and learn.
BTW, this thread exists solely to give other riders crap about their bikes. Now, it's getting to you? Have to console your boy? Here come the waterworks.
Converting your single-cylinder red XX's to dualsport bikes isn't a bad idea. Like you said, a real motorcyclist happening by would have to eat some dust, but it would be worth the laughter. Quote:
Originally Posted by lois This just in.... Florida rider takes his first corner......ever | Couldn't be from Florida. The HD guys wear tennis shoes or sandals here. Quote:
Originally Posted by lois Mean while back at the ranch, Logoman is putting the finishes touches on his new pipes by tuning them.... | That guy's an amateur. I use my engine covers, fairing lowers and exhaust cans like other men use peg feelings.
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09-16-2008, 11:44 PM
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#1424 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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I got my fork seals yesterday and just learned that the first man that tried to deliver them was in a terrible accident. I feel very badly for him and for his family. I should have told the vendor to wrap the parts in black or red or at least warn the USPS that they were delivering parts destined for a silver XX. Maybe I was living in denial thinking that such a small part, and one that wasn't even silver, could be delivered to a silver XX without mishap. But, apparently the cosmos is not to be fooled.
My only fear now is that UPS and the USPS will share information with the other carriers and a stiff dangerous cargo fee will be applied to all further silver XX parts shipments.
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09-17-2008, 12:15 AM
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#1425 | Join Date: Mar 02 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA via Bronx, NY Bike(s): RED(the fast color), 2001 CBR1100XX, 2004 ZZR600 Age: 39 Posts: 1,721
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You know, UPS trucks used to be silver til people started complainin that their deliveries were too slow. Just an observation.
__________________ Murphys 6th law of combat operations: If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.  |
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09-17-2008, 1:27 AM
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#1426 | Join Date: Nov 02 2006 Location: SW Florida Bike(s): 02 Blackbird Age: 52 Posts: 373
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Originally Posted by ArmyStrong You know, UPS trucks used to be silver til people started complainin that their deliveries were too slow. Just an observation. | The deliveries WERE slow. Without the ability to stop, the drivers had to circle their intended drop-offs until they ran out of gas. This meant only several deliveries per truck per day!
UPS finally discovered that mixing red, blue, and black to make just the right shade of brown slowed the trucks down to a normal speed and the rest, as they say, is history.
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09-18-2008, 5:14 AM
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#1427 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
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With RED bikes being as fast as they are, a common problems seems to be stopping....why just the other day I was on my way to the safeway store and ended up fifteen hundred miles away, down in Streks neck of the woods near Chicago.....what a ride.
So I was thinking.
One possible solution might be to have brake shoes made out of a slower colour like say.....silver...
I have just handed this over to my R&D people. Even though they pointed out that silver is nearly impossible to do anything with...except make bikes that are very very very very slow. They said (under protest) that they would look into it.
One of them even pointed out that the chances of getting silver to do anything usefull, and when pigs fly had a lot in common. Then someone else pointed out that if a pig was in fact red, then it would fly like no bodys business, so then the first guy said he had spoken in error, and was very sorry that he had said anything at all about the pigs, but still stood by his statement over the whole silver thing.
My lead man on the job, Mr Gosuckieyourself, pointed out that once silver was melted down, it was still such a slow clour, that it would take at least a week - week and a half , to coax it down a steep incline, and into a mold. He thought that if he maybe hired some kookamungen indians, who are well known for their paddling skills, that with their help, the molten silver clour could be paddled into a "brake shoe" mold in just under a week.
However, when contacted at their camp deep in the Amazon rain forest, a spokesman for the tribe said, " Ka cheekie malue tonna wentiee zenjue plucka plucka" which roughly translated means "get stuffed" , as even they believe that silver is so slow it should only be used on items which are intended for children or the very old.
When told that they may have to do it anyways, they freaked out ,ran in a big circle, and then ate a near by tribe.....bones and all.
So based on the situation at hand, I seriously doubt that any headway can be made at all ,using this clour, but with gods help, and if the river don't rise, my people may find a use for this dastarly clour.....and perhaps brakes for the red XX's , being one of them.......or possibly wheels for cop cars......hhmmmm, there is much to think about . P.S....notice my post #......thats how number one RED really is.....bears pretty happy too......kneel suckers
__________________ RED IS SIMPLY THE FASTEST COLOUR
Last edited by lois : 09-18-2008 at 7:50 AM.
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09-18-2008, 6:04 AM
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#1428 | Join Date: Jun 08 2008 Location: Brisbane Australia Bike(s): 1998 CBR1100XX Super Blackbird Posts: 409
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News Flash !.....
My Beautiful Red Steed is currently sitting on jacks in the Garage having sent the front forks and rear shock away for upgradeing. The other night I forgot to cover her up and the next day when I went out and opened the door.........There she was , right in the doorway. Moved forward a full 5 meters ( 5 and a bit yards ) from where she was the night before. How could this be so ? With no wheels on and battery disconnected. Then it dawned on me. I had'nt covered her up as usual with her Slow Silver clour bike cover as normal. So a word of warning to all RED Bird owners. Get a slow cloured bike cover if you dont want your treasured Bird to move under her own Red power while your not around. I was just lucky that the roller door is silver. I guess that slowed her up. Red Rules.
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09-18-2008, 7:46 AM
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#1429 | Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Bike(s): JUST A GIXXER AND AN XX....OK? Posts: 1,474
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Originally Posted by Logoman The deliveries WERE slow. Without the ability to stop, the drivers had to circle their intended drop-offs until they ran out of gas. This meant only several deliveries per truck per day!
UPS finally discovered that mixing red, blue, and black to make just the right shade of brown slowed the trucks down to a normal speed and the rest, as they say, is history. |
I guess throwing it out the window wasn't an option....?
Really, who would ship with such a stupid carrier?....oh ya, wrong clour guys, thats who.... and yes.....as always....red rules....so kneel suckers , and bow down to the fastest colour...
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09-18-2008, 8:26 AM
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#1430 | Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinios Bike(s): 1999 CBR1100XX and 1988 CBR1000F Stock & excellent Posts: 2,080
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lois... all the way down in my neck of the woods? And you didn't let me know you were coming. I could have a least bought you a beer or something.  Its been pretty wet around here this past weekend. All those slow moving clouds that are supposed to have a silver lining.
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