Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

kup1236 · 06-28-2007, 9:05 PM

Yes I know that I should have ordered it on-line for about $8.39

But I wanted to do a quick oil change so I paid the price.

$11.98 for OEM filter 15410-MM9-013 and---------------
$4.49 a quart for GN4 10-40 and---------
$ 3.89 a quart for 50/50 mix coolant---

They had it and I wanted it and I paid the price--This time

Do it to me once and shame on you,
Do it to me twice and shame on me

kup1236

redxxrdr · 06-28-2007, 10:27 PM

About the price I pay when I buy from my dealer. Must pay for those fancy new buildings.

X1rider · 06-28-2007, 10:35 PM

Order online-MRcycle & Marine in Asheville NC, or World of Powersports in Decatur IL.

The Parts Unlimited "brand" oil filters we use at our shop are a good substitute for stock ones. HF 303 fits most Honda's, I think.

Plan ahead.........

kup1236 · 06-29-2007, 12:51 AM

I could have bought a Wix filter for about half of OEM, or spend even less for another brand that would fit. But being a new owner(less than 2 months) and a low mile(4500) 01 Red bird, I wanted to use OEM filter and Honda oil.

Thanks for the great advice plan ahead................

kup1236

brianm767 · 07-16-2007, 6:27 AM

I used to use OEM filters too, then I switched to K&N's, till I read this, now I buy the Purolator Pure one PL14612 at Pep boys for 6 bucks, my St, F4I, XX and our Honda Accords and my daughters Civic, all take the same type 5 filter, I also only use the Shell Rotella T syn oil from Wally world too ( in the bikes), some pretty good info here, look at the reccomendations at the bottom of the cross refferiance page, and open the other links on the page,

Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference

Motorcycle Grease, Oil, and Filters

OZDave · 07-16-2007, 8:50 AM

I just came here to do search on Purolator Oil filter part numbers. Talk about good timing. Thanks.

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 10:14 AM

I will only use OE filters; I don't care what they cost.
It's not worth saving a few bucks when it comes to oil related stuff.
If you disagree, I suggest cutting open an OE filter and comparing it to the aftermarket version. Not even close.

OZDave · 07-16-2007, 11:05 AM

Time to move to the "future" SSUXX. Try opening some of the top range filters. They are equal or better than OEM, and cheaper.

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OZDave

Time to move to the "future" SSUXX. Try opening some of the top range filters. They are equal or better than OEM, and cheaper.

Which top range filters are we referring to? The Fram one's that blew off of race bikes, causing the riders to crash or the other one's (WIX, Puro) that are made in Taiwan by the same MFG?

brianm767 · 07-16-2007, 1:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

I will only use OE filters; I don't care what they cost.
It's not worth saving a few bucks when it comes to oil related stuff.
If you disagree, I suggest cutting open an OE filter and comparing it to the aftermarket version. Not even close.

You might want to look at the links in my post above, OE filters are not even close to the Mobil 1, Purolator Pure One or even the cheap $2 filter from Wallmart, when it comes to filters, money has nothing to do with the quality, a $2 Wallmart filter has better , and more filter media than a $15 K&N,

But that being said, I have never had an oil or oil filter related failure, no matter what brand I was using,

brianm767 · 07-16-2007, 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OZDave

I just came here to do search on Purolator Oil filter part numbers. Talk about good timing. Thanks.

Isn't that one of the best links? I love teh ideal of buying Purolator filters at Pep Boys,

Oh and just so you know, I tried both the PL14612 and the PL14610, they both fit, but the PL14612 is about 1/2" longer and it puts it right against the header, too close in my opinion, so I use the slightly shorter 12,

WILLSXX · 07-16-2007, 1:52 PM

A good comparo on filters:

OIL FILTERS EXPOSED! - Introduction

I think I have tried just about all available with the exception of the Fram just because everyone knows that Fram's are garbage.....dont they?

Anyhoo still running like a raped ape at just before 60K and counting

brianm767 · 07-16-2007, 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

Which top range filters are we referring to? The Fram one's that blew off of race bikes, causing the riders to crash or the other one's (WIX, Puro) that are made in Taiwan by the same MFG?

Might want to look at the links in my post above

I dont know where your getting your info?
Purolator "Pure One filters" , Made in USA!
Wallmart Super Teck filters, Made in USA by Champion,
Bosh filter, Made in USA by Champion,
Mobil M1's, Made in USA by Champion,

Wix ???

Framm, who cares, crappy filters

a small clip from the link.

These Oil Filters
have 20 x 1.5mm threads,
14 psi by-pass valve,
anti-drain back valve,
2.3" O.D. gasket
2.5" to 3.5" long.
If you have the room, I recommend the longer filters. Motorcycle Filters.
None are recommended.

AC Delco PF2135
AMSOil SMF103
Carquest 85358
FRAM PH6017A
Honda 15410-MCJ-000
K&N KN-204, about $13. Metric nut on end for easy removal.
NAPA Gold 1358
Purolator ML16817. Imported, not made by Purolator.
STP SMO 17
WIX 51358

Recommended filters.
All have superior
filtering.

About 2.5 inches long.

Purolator Pure One PL14612, about $6.

Mobil M1-108, about $12.
Made by Champion.

Bosch 3300, about $6.
Made by Champion.

About 3.25 inches long.

Purolator Pure One PL14610, about $6.

Mobil 1 M1-110, about $10.
Made by Champion.

Bosch 3323, about $6.
Made By Champion.

WalMart SuperTech ST7317,
about $2. Made by Champion.

Buy these filters

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianm767

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You might want to look at the links in my post above, OE filters are not even close to the Mobil 1, Purolator Pure One or even the cheap $2 filter from Wallmart, when it comes to filters, money has nothing to do with the quality, a $2 Wallmart filter has better , and more filter media than a $15 K&N,

But that being said, I have never had an oil or oil filter related failure, no matter what brand I was using,

You bring up a good point: What is an oil related failure?

Seriously, think about it. Is the fact that engines haven't exploded proof enough that the owner SURELY must be using "Quality" oil and filters? See, I think that all oil and filters will protect your engine to a point and "Failure" of these components doesn't always result in your engine dieing on the spot. I think people tend to focus on "Failures" when discussing/choosing oil & filters while ignoring the positives. For the most part, everyone here rides their motorcycles with few oil related problems regardless of the brand of oil, change intervals or filter brand they chose. It seems to me if someone asks "What's the best oil and filter", the answer is "The brand I uses but for no particular reason".

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianm767

Might want to look at the links in my post above

I dont know where your getting your info?
Purolator "Pure One filters" , Made in USA!
Wallmart Super Teck filters, Made in USA by Champion,
Bosh filter, Made in USA by Champion,
Mobil M1's, Made in USA by Champion,

Wix ???

Framm, who cares, crappy filters

a small clip from the link.

These Oil Filters
have 20 x 1.5mm threads,
14 psi by-pass valve,
anti-drain back valve,
2.3" O.D. gasket
2.5" to 3.5" long.
If you have the room, I recommend the longer filters. Motorcycle Filters.
None are recommended.

AC Delco PF2135
AMSOil SMF103
Carquest 85358
FRAM PH6017A
Honda 15410-MCJ-000
K&N KN-204, about $13. Metric nut on end for easy removal.
NAPA Gold 1358
Purolator ML16817. Imported, not made by Purolator.
STP SMO 17
WIX 51358

Recommended filters.
All have superior
filtering.

About 2.5 inches long.

Purolator Pure One PL14612, about $6.

Mobil M1-108, about $12.
Made by Champion.

Bosch 3300, about $6.
Made by Champion.

About 3.25 inches long.

Purolator Pure One PL14610, about $6.

Mobil 1 M1-110, about $10.
Made by Champion.

Bosch 3323, about $6.
Made By Champion.

WalMart SuperTech ST7317,
about $2. Made by Champion.

Buy these filters

I work in the Automatic transmission aftermarket, thus know where these companies buy their filters. You should be suspicious why several photos of the filters look identical.
If you are convinced that these filters are as good/better than OE, by all means use them. My local dealer charges $11 for the OE filter, i'll continue to buy from them.

WILLSXX · 07-16-2007, 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

You bring up a good point: What is an oil related failure?

Might be able to attribute this to an "oil related failure"?

http://www.cbrxx.com/engine-airbox-e...-finished.html

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILLSXX

Might be able to attribute this to an "oil related failure"?

http://www.cbrxx.com/engine-airbox-e...-finished.html

I doubt the brand of oil used in that motor made much of a difference.

WILLSXX · 07-16-2007, 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

I doubt the brand of oil used in that motor made much of a difference.

How about the filter? Oil starvation maybe?

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 5:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILLSXX

How about the filter? Oil starvation maybe?

Are you arguing about something?

I have no idea why that motor grenaded. I don't agree that it's automatically an oil related failure though. That's the point I was trying to make a few posts back.
Edited: Reread the link and yes, it certainly sounds like oil related to me. Imagine what would have happened if he had a $2 Walmart filter on that thing though.

WILLSXX · 07-16-2007, 5:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

Are you arguing about something?

No.

But it seems real rare to hear of these motors grenading and that always begs the question why?

Maybe a previous owner neglected it and caused the situation? Or could it be attributed to something as simple as a choice of oil or filter?

Like you I always hear the "this is the brand I use for no particular reason" story and just thinking maybe there is a reason to be picky maybe?

SSUXX · 07-16-2007, 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILLSXX

No.

But it seems real rare to hear of these motors grenading and that always begs the question why?

Maybe a previous owner neglected it and caused the situation? Or could it be attributed to something as simple as a choice of oil or filter?

Like you I always hear the "this is the brand I use for no particular reason" story and just thinking maybe there is a reason to be picky maybe?

You're talking to a guy who uses Castrol Full Synth superbike oil at 10 bucks a quart and OE filters. I believe it does make a difference but at the same time, I doubt anyone can prove that their engine suffered because of cheap oil and Fram filters.

I agree with the "Why" aspect though. The dude in the link you posted mentioned that the engine had already been apart. When we pry into statements for further info, sometimes there is more to the story.
I never met anyone that blew up a motor because of cheap oil. I HAVE known people to **** up perfectly fine motors by tinkering with them though.

WILLSXX · 07-16-2007, 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSUXX

When we pry into statements for further info, sometimes there is more to the story.
I never met anyone that blew up a motor because of cheap oil. I HAVE known people to **** up perfectly fine motors by tinkering with them though.

True, I think when it comes to oils at least for me I like to think that using a "better oil" avoids thing like this, maybe your right and it doesn't make any difference only gives us some peace of mind thinking it makes a big difference.

Partsguy · 07-16-2007, 7:12 PM

[quote]When we pry into statements for further info, sometimes there is more to the story.[/quote
Amen.