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JayO · 05-27-2008, 2:44 AM

I came across a web page where a guy said he bored his bike out and made it a 1300. How much would that cost? I'm just curious...I'm still learning how to ride; my '97 Bird is my first ride.

hob · 05-27-2008, 3:32 AM

he is going to get a hayabusa???
is this what you're asking?
c'mon peps lets

busa

JayO · 05-27-2008, 3:36 AM

If I come cross his page again, I'll copy the link.

1100xxben · 05-27-2008, 7:31 AM

I don't know about 1300, but there's a kit out there for a 1200cc "big bore" conversion. Here's one. I don't think there's enough cylinder wall to get to 1300cc with just boring. You'd prob have to get a new crank/rods and stroke the thing too.

JayO · 05-27-2008, 11:46 AM

That sounds nuts regardless. If you did get a 1200 conversion kit what's the difference, 1137/ 1200, wait "1195?"
Hell, I've only gotten up to 95mph and I almost pissed my pants cause I was going into a curve and it was the first time on the highway! LOL! I like the fact that the speedo registers 205mph, but I'll never see anything close to it...I think

R1000 · 05-27-2008, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayO

That sounds nuts regardless. If you did get a 1200 conversion kit what's the difference, 1137/ 1200, wait "1195?"
Hell, I've only gotten up to 95mph and I almost pissed my pants cause I was going into a curve and it was the first time on the highway! LOL! I like the fact that the speedo registers 205mph, but I'll never see anything close to it...I think

The difference will be about 5 percent increased torque (about 2% or 5 km/h extra top speed). Unless you are not planning to bore the block and replace the pistons anyway, it is not worth it. You will get the same increase in torque on the rear wheel on all gears if you change the front sprocket from 17t to 16t. The top speed may go down a bit but basically it will reduce some top speed that is never used by most people. If you need substantially more power and torque, you may consider a turbo upgrade. On the other hand, how many averages above 200 km/h on roads and needs a lot more power? Of course it would be fun but the real application for a turbo is probably on a drag strip. I would think different if there already was a turbo on my bike

Much is nice but more is better if one chose the right situations to use the power.

Strek · 05-27-2008, 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayO

That sounds nuts regardless. If you did get a 1200 conversion kit what's the difference, 1137/ 1200, wait "1195?"
Hell, I've only gotten up to 95mph and I almost pissed my pants cause I was going into a curve and it was the first time on the highway! LOL! I like the fact that the speedo registers 205mph, but I'll never see anything close to it...I think

JayO

No need to push it. Sounds like a sane and safe choice to keep the speed reasonable. The XX is fast enough stock. Unless you are planning on going drag racing no need to punch it out. If you feel the need for speed all you have to do is twist the throttle. Plenty on tap.

youfly2 · 05-27-2008, 9:59 PM

i'm always looking for more horse's ! no granted when i bought my bb i thought i would never seek anymore ponies but sh!t happens

SilverBrd · 05-28-2008, 1:40 AM

Sounds like there are some horse power junkies in here!

JayO · 05-28-2008, 9:29 AM

Definitely not trying to push the Bird yet

I bought it from my cousin who had ridden my uncles '83 interceptor all through high school. He said he could just never twist the throttle enough on it. I talked to him last night, he said he did change the sprocket from a 17 to 16(When I bought it, he just said it was new). It's got a 4-2-1 Vance and Hines exhaust. My cousin said he had up to 160mph...I prolly won't see that either. Anyways, I need to put it back together so I can get rollin again.

fasterspider · 05-28-2008, 11:01 AM

I have been through the 1123 big bore kits on my CB1100F bikes and decided that they are for the drag strip guys who want to tear down their engines on a regular basis.
Nothing good comes from a big bore kit unless you are a drag strip maniac.
Enough power can be added to the bike with a proper exhaust system and remapping of the ignition for a fuel injected bike or a bank of proper mechanical slide carbs for a carbed bike.
My Bird is fast but, she is too quiet with the stock exhaust and that is not thrilling enough for me.
So I bought a titanium Akropovic 4-2-1 exhaust system for her and will buy a Power Commander as soon as I sell my black air cooled dinosaur.
The CB1123R bike pictured below is why I will not do anymore big bore kits, she is much faster than a stock CB1100F but, she also weighs at least 100 pounds less than a stock CB1100F. I have had to replace the rings twice because after market rings suck and are for the friggin birds.
Honda makes the best rings I have ever run across, so leave your bike alone and forget about big bore kits unless you like breaking down your motorcycle on a regular basis.

JayO · 05-28-2008, 11:34 AM

Thanks for the advice. I really don't plan on doing anything except getting this things running and reliable first and foremost. I took the tank off and realized this is really an 11 yr old bike. I don't THINK there's anything seriously wrong with it other than needing some hoses replaced along with the plugs(if I ever get them out!) and an oil change.

I'm not mechanically inclined by any means with bikes, so I'mma keep flippin through this manual and get it done and appreciate it a heck of a lot more!

fasterspider · 05-28-2008, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayO

I'm not mechanically inclined by any means with bikes, so I'mma keep flippin through this manual and get it done and appreciate it a heck of a lot more!

Smart man.

Make sure that when you are working on your bike that you pay very close attention

to what you are doing and have fun.

XX4me · 05-28-2008, 7:38 PM

You cant get 1300 out of a BB without stroking it. There just isn't enough space between the cylinders. After having seen a bored out block even 1200 is pushing it in my opinion.
Now turbos are another story.......

JayO · 05-29-2008, 9:27 AM

I'll admit, when it comes to BIKES, I have an issue when someone has an 12 or 1300. Maybe it's a man thing, maybe I'll get over it....one day.

Actually, it's those damn busas, I'm tired of hearing about them. One of the main reason I got my Bird is because I STILL haven't seen another one out!

fasterspider · 05-29-2008, 9:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayO

I'll admit, when it comes to BIKES, I have an issue when someone has an 12 or 1300. Maybe it's a man thing, maybe I'll get over it....one day.

Actually, it's those damn busas, I'm tired of hearing about them. One of the main reasons I got my Bird is because I STILL haven't seen another one out!

I took on and whooped a 97 Busa last weekend. Maybe the guy is scared or maybe I am just a better rider but, it felt good to see him getting smaller in my mirrors.
I will not ride anything but a Honda even though friends of mine are ZX-14 freaks. They are why I bought my Bird with it's 1100 engine, it is the biggest Honda sport bike and the only one I fit on.
A 1300 Busa is an ugly bike and a 1400 Kwaka is just that, a Kwaka.
So it is the CBR1100XX Blackbird for me and I will leave the engine alone without a big bore kit but make the bike shed some weight with the loss of the stock exhaust system to be replaced by a titanium Akropovic 4-2-1.

JayO · 05-29-2008, 12:10 PM

I agree 100%. As far as shedding weight, the center stand is gone and I have the 4-2-1 titanium Vance and Hines SSR...or whatever it is. Now, I need to shed some weight, lol! I haven't raced anyone...yet and am really not interested at the moment. I have actually had people pull up to me in cars and trucks wanting to race and I just shake my head. As a "'new" rider, my biggest fear is someone pulling out in front of me and not having time to do ANYTHING about it. I'm content with my ride and it's power/ speed. In a year or so, I may add some turbo...for what, I don't know. I just wanna get rollin again, the weather here has been perfect and my bird's been in the cage for a week now.

This winter, it's all about paint and getting the traditional BB look back on it...with a few twists!

Sandsquidxx · 05-29-2008, 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayO

I'll admit, when it comes to BIKES, I have an issue when someone has an 12 or 1300. Maybe it's a man thing, maybe I'll get over it....one day.

Actually, it's those damn busas, I'm tired of hearing about them. One of the main reason I got my Bird is because I STILL haven't seen another one out!

I've heard talk on the net and from some motor cycle shops here in the city that honda's testing a new 2008/9 BB with a V-6

but will honda do it?

just ask Warchildxx

JayO · 05-29-2008, 7:05 PM

NO WAY?!

...

fasterspider · 05-29-2008, 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandsquidxx

I've heard talk on the net and from some motor cycle shops here in the city that honda's testing a new 2008/9 BB with a V-6

but will honda do it?

just ask Warchildxx

Picture that with a Polaroid

Strek · 05-29-2008, 9:21 PM

fasterspider,

Looks like you have a CBX. What are your thoughts on a V6? Heat? Size? Weight? My concern with a six is that depending on oriention and weight it might make for a bike that isn't as sporty.

fasterspider · 05-29-2008, 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strek

fasterspider,

Looks like you have a CBX. What are your thoughts on a V6? Heat? Size? Weight? My concern with a six is that depending on oriention and weight it might make for a bike that isn't as sporty.

Yes, I have a CBX with a CBR600F-2 front wheel, a 98 CBR600F-3 rear wheel, 94 CBR600F-2 forks and 2003 CBR954 four piston calipers and it handles great. Much better than any stock CBX anywhere. It also does stoppies.
I can see Honda turning a V-4 into a V-6 although it would have to be of small displacement and that is what they did with the CBX that was only 1047cc. Kind of a let down to those who like big displacement engines.
I saw a Honda motorcycle sized V-8 online somewhere that was pretty friggin awesome, imagine that in a Sport Bike

Partsguy · 05-29-2008, 10:51 PM

I can't agree with condeming big bore kits.I'm sure there are some bad ones but my 600 has been 2 mm over for 20 000 km amd over 300 passes on the same motor and still makes great power for what it is.I race against a guy with a big bore Busa who rides it on the street and has for years,only thing he's worn out is a clutch.

11dblex · 06-11-2008, 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasterspider

I took on and whooped a 97 Busa

last weekend.

having a red Blackbird (just plain blasphemy) must mean you live outta touch with reality....
the Busa wasn't in production until 99

just thought I'd mention that ... know how you red bird riders are a little slow

fasterspider · 06-11-2008, 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11dblex

having a red Blackbird (just plain blasphemy) must mean you live outta touch with reality....
the Busa wasn't in production until 99

just thought I'd mention that ... know how you red bird riders are a little slow

I must have mis-interpreted what the owner of the older Busa said then and he has since sold that Busa and bought a Hardley Ableson 883 Sporty because he got scared of the speeds the Busa could attain.
He will not even ride with us anymore because he is embarrassed I guess.

I know nothing of Suzy motorcycles, sorry for the wrong year statement.

But still, I whooped a Busa with my faster red Blackbird.

DragonXX · 06-11-2008, 6:26 PM

Save your pennies and buy the new 'Bird replacement in '09

gunner1374 · 06-11-2008, 10:09 PM

I have had a few bikes with big bore kits and they are every bit as reliable as stock as long as you get a good kit and as long as it is installed and they engine work is first rate. It will only be as good as the engine work. As far as power gains, you can expect close to a 25% hp and 25% torque increase across the entire range. Not just on top end. It doesnt have to spool up to get the extra power, its already there. Expect to go through rear tires, lol. I have seen an XX w/ a big bore, exhaust, and pc2 make just over 200 HP on the dyno at the wheels. Very impressive and very very fast. Cost less than $2,000 installed. I prefer that to a turbo or n2o anytime. Just my $.02

Puck · 06-12-2008, 2:39 AM

I been like 170 something, good enough for me sheesh.

matthend · 06-25-2008, 11:24 AM

my mechanic has a 1300 cc bird with 106k on the clock! it has been a 1300 since about 55-60k. It has never left him on the side of the road (knock wood) and has never had an issue other than standard maintenance. The damn thing puts out 184 rwhp!!

JayO · 06-25-2008, 11:34 AM

Did he do the work himself?

05-27-2008, 3:32 AM	#2
hob Join Date: May 22 2008 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Posts: 57	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? he is going to get a hayabusa??? is this what you're asking? c'mon peps lets busa

05-27-2008, 3:36 AM	#3
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? If I come cross his page again, I'll copy the link.

05-27-2008, 7:31 AM	#4
1100xxben Join Date: Mar 27 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 28 Posts: 333	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I don't know about 1300, but there's a kit out there for a 1200cc "big bore" conversion. Here's one. I don't think there's enough cylinder wall to get to 1300cc with just boring. You'd prob have to get a new crank/rods and stroke the thing too. __________________ 16 valves, 4 pistons, 2 tires, and one twist of the wrist... I'm doing my part to keep the insect population down... are you?

05-27-2008, 11:46 AM	#5
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? That sounds nuts regardless. If you did get a 1200 conversion kit what's the difference, 1137/ 1200, wait "1195?" Hell, I've only gotten up to 95mph and I almost pissed my pants cause I was going into a curve and it was the first time on the highway! LOL! I like the fact that the speedo registers 205mph, but I'll never see anything close to it...I think

05-27-2008, 9:59 PM	#8
youfly2 youfly2 Join Date: Apr 16 2008 Location: alliance ,oh Age: 39 Posts: 221	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? i'm always looking for more horse's ! no granted when i bought my bb i thought i would never seek anymore ponies but sh!t happens

05-28-2008, 1:40 AM	#9
SilverBrd TEDZXX Join Date: Jan 22 2008 Location: Lockhart, Texas Age: 45 Posts: 1,742	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? Sounds like there are some horse power junkies in here! __________________ 02 Silver Bird, Throttlemeister, HID's, D&D Show and Go full system exhaust, Zero Gravity Double Bubble, Power Commander, Speedohealer, Corbin seat, Lowered foot pegs & more Mods to come!!!

05-28-2008, 9:29 AM	#10
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? Definitely not trying to push the Bird yet I bought it from my cousin who had ridden my uncles '83 interceptor all through high school. He said he could just never twist the throttle enough on it. I talked to him last night, he said he did change the sprocket from a 17 to 16(When I bought it, he just said it was new). It's got a 4-2-1 Vance and Hines exhaust. My cousin said he had up to 160mph...I prolly won't see that either. Anyways, I need to put it back together so I can get rollin again.

05-28-2008, 11:34 AM	#12
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? Thanks for the advice. I really don't plan on doing anything except getting this things running and reliable first and foremost. I took the tank off and realized this is really an 11 yr old bike. I don't THINK there's anything seriously wrong with it other than needing some hoses replaced along with the plugs(if I ever get them out!) and an oil change. I'm not mechanically inclined by any means with bikes, so I'mma keep flippin through this manual and get it done and appreciate it a heck of a lot more!

05-28-2008, 7:38 PM	#14
XX4me Join Date: Nov 22 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 115	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? You cant get 1300 out of a BB without stroking it. There just isn't enough space between the cylinders. After having seen a bored out block even 1200 is pushing it in my opinion. Now turbos are another story....... __________________ Friends don't let friends buy hahn turbo kits.

05-29-2008, 9:27 AM	#15
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I'll admit, when it comes to BIKES, I have an issue when someone has an 12 or 1300. Maybe it's a man thing, maybe I'll get over it....one day. Actually, it's those damn busas, I'm tired of hearing about them. One of the main reason I got my Bird is because I STILL haven't seen another one out!

05-29-2008, 12:10 PM	#17
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I agree 100%. As far as shedding weight, the center stand is gone and I have the 4-2-1 titanium Vance and Hines SSR...or whatever it is. Now, I need to shed some weight, lol! I haven't raced anyone...yet and am really not interested at the moment. I have actually had people pull up to me in cars and trucks wanting to race and I just shake my head. As a "'new" rider, my biggest fear is someone pulling out in front of me and not having time to do ANYTHING about it. I'm content with my ride and it's power/ speed. In a year or so, I may add some turbo...for what, I don't know. I just wanna get rollin again, the weather here has been perfect and my bird's been in the cage for a week now. This winter, it's all about paint and getting the traditional BB look back on it...with a few twists!

05-29-2008, 7:05 PM	#19
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? NO WAY?!...

05-29-2008, 9:21 PM	#21
Strek Moderator Join Date: Jun 25 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 5,072	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? fasterspider, Looks like you have a CBX. What are your thoughts on a V6? Heat? Size? Weight? My concern with a six is that depending on oriention and weight it might make for a bike that isn't as sporty.

05-29-2008, 10:51 PM	#23
Partsguy Vendor Join Date: Dec 23 2006 Location: near London,Canada Posts: 1,531	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I can't agree with condeming big bore kits.I'm sure there are some bad ones but my 600 has been 2 mm over for 20 000 km amd over 300 passes on the same motor and still makes great power for what it is.I race against a guy with a big bore Busa who rides it on the street and has for years,only thing he's worn out is a clutch.

06-11-2008, 6:26 PM	#26
DragonXX ... Get A Good Lawyer ! Join Date: Dec 19 2007 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Age: 45 Posts: 2,971	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? Save your pennies and buy the new 'Bird replacement in '09 __________________ " 'Birds of a feather, flock together " Quote of the month: "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein

06-11-2008, 10:09 PM	#27
gunner1374 Join Date: Jan 13 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Age: 35 Posts: 92	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I have had a few bikes with big bore kits and they are every bit as reliable as stock as long as you get a good kit and as long as it is installed and they engine work is first rate. It will only be as good as the engine work. As far as power gains, you can expect close to a 25% hp and 25% torque increase across the entire range. Not just on top end. It doesnt have to spool up to get the extra power, its already there. Expect to go through rear tires, lol. I have seen an XX w/ a big bore, exhaust, and pc2 make just over 200 HP on the dyno at the wheels. Very impressive and very very fast. Cost less than $2,000 installed. I prefer that to a turbo or n2o anytime. Just my $.02 __________________ Live life fast...ride an XX! Still one of my best bikes ever!!!

06-12-2008, 2:39 AM	#28
Puck Join Date: Jan 03 2008 Location: Florida Usa Posts: 117	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? I been like 170 something, good enough for me sheesh. __________________ http://s8.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=121150 if you dont click your a sissy

06-25-2008, 11:24 AM	#29
matthend Join Date: Mar 18 2008 Location: Lousville Posts: 80	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? my mechanic has a 1300 cc bird with 106k on the clock! it has been a 1300 since about 55-60k. It has never left him on the side of the road (knock wood) and has never had an issue other than standard maintenance. The damn thing puts out 184 rwhp!! __________________ 97 XX, Full Stainless Muzzy 4-2-1 with carbon can, BMC Filters, Jets, Throttlemeister cruise control, and a big blue "Busa Bottle"

06-25-2008, 11:34 AM	#30
JayO Join Date: Dec 29 2007 Location: So. In. Posts: 96	Re: Changing the "1100XX" to a 1300?? Did he do the work himself?

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