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03-24-2008, 8:29 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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I got my new motor today and I need some guidance as to how to make the switch. My first question is how do I remove the gasoline thats in the tank now? I do have a service manual for my 2003 bird and a couple of of good friends who will help. The advice I can get here will make my bird a survivor.Thanks!
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03-24-2008, 9:07 PM
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| TEDZXX  Join Date: Jan 22 2008 Location: Lockhart, Texas Bike(s): 2002 Honda CBR1100XX (Silver) Blackbird Age: 43 Posts: 1,375
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How much fuel do you have? Garage with work bench? If it's close to full I would siphon it out but less than that have one of your friends catch the hose with a rag when you disconnect and drain your tank in a gas can. I'm sure you guys can figure a way to drain your tank from there. I would plug my line actually if I had to do it. Good luck with your surgery
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03-24-2008, 10:26 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
|     Here are a few pictures of my progress so far. The syphoning is a great idea. Long way to go but so far so good, thanks, I know it ain't gonna be easy.  |
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03-26-2008, 8:17 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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I got the tank, exhaust pipes, manifold, radiator all off. I'm still looking at the carbs with the FI system and the various wires. Is there anything I should be really careful with this stuff?And also the chain. My bro tells me to buy a chainbreaker kit. The manual says to loosen the rear wheel and take the engine sprocket cover off to free the chain. Which should I do? Another thing I do not understand is that the exhaust port on the #1 cylinder doesn't have the blackness that all the other ports exhibit. That is where the damage is done but it makes me wonder how long? Thanks for the syphon tip. Sometimes when I get overwhelmed the simplest things fly right over my head.  |
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03-26-2008, 8:20 PM
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| What cop??  Join Date: Jan 24 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Bike(s): 02 Bird Age: 39 Posts: 1,617
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Just loosen the rear wheel & slide it forward & you should be able to get the chain off, take note of all your vacuum lines as well & siphon the gas into that new cruiser you just bought  BTW, how's the weather up there, it hit 80 here today 
__________________ Mike 02 Silver Bird I'm a Yamaha tech., that's why I ride a Honda  Last edited by flblackbird : 03-26-2008 at 8:26 PM. |
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03-26-2008, 8:27 PM
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| ... Get A Good Lawyer !  Join Date: Dec 20 2007 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Bike(s): Honda '07 CBR1100XX Super Blackbird Age: 44 Posts: 1,887
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 ................... Everyone in his lifetime and on different bikes have put the vacuum lines back the wrong way when reinstalling the tank 
__________________ " 'Birds of a feather, flock together "  Quote of the month: "When the pupil is ready to learn, a teacher will appear." - Zen Proverb | |
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03-26-2008, 8:49 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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I'll mark the lines T (top) and B (bottom) and O for the other one. It hit 60 degrees after a light rain this A.M. Yahoo! My bro took the VTX for a spin today. He wants it for a day. Go figure, he's been on sportbikes his whole life. I'll get some pics on soon.
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03-26-2008, 10:42 PM
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| TEDZXX Join Date: Jan 22 2008 Location: Lockhart, Texas Bike(s): 2002 Honda CBR1100XX (Silver) Blackbird Age: 43 Posts: 1,375
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Cool pic with your dog dude!!
__________________ 02 Silver Bird, Throttlemeister, HID's, Scorpion Carbon Fiber Oval Exhaust, Zero Gravity Double Bubble, Power Commander, Speedohealer, Corbin seat, Lowered foot pegs & more Mods to come!!! |
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03-27-2008, 3:28 PM
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 Join Date: Oct 19 2006 Location: Sierra Mtns Bike(s): 02 XX, 03 DL1000, 02 Dl1000, 98 SV650, 06 ST1300A Age: 50 Posts: 119
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Having done an R&R similar to this before I have learned to keep a digital camera in my garage and take a TON of pictures as I disassemble things especially like vacuum hoses. These become invaluable as you put things back together. Brian R.
__________________ Brian R. Do you know EXACTLY how fast you were going? Gee Officer between the speedometer, Cyclometer and the GPS I might have a guess |
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03-27-2008, 10:58 PM
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| What cop?? Join Date: Jan 24 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Bike(s): 02 Bird Age: 39 Posts: 1,617
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How's it coming doc??
__________________ Mike 02 Silver Bird I'm a Yamaha tech., that's why I ride a Honda |
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03-27-2008, 11:16 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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I need to take some pictures. Taking it apart is not so bad. I'm glad I got a book and an awesome pair of visegrips. The chain came off the new motor easy enough. It amazes me that there really isn't alot to the bike when its stripped clean. So far so good. I'll get some pics up soon. Thanks for asking.
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03-27-2008, 11:25 PM
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| What cop?? Join Date: Jan 24 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Bike(s): 02 Bird Age: 39 Posts: 1,617
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Hang in there brotha, keep us posted!
__________________ Mike 02 Silver Bird I'm a Yamaha tech., that's why I ride a Honda |
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03-28-2008, 8:23 AM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
|      The pictures tell the story so far. |
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03-28-2008, 1:24 PM
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| Moderator  Join Date: Nov 12 2006 Location: Medford, NY Bike(s): '99 CBR1100XX Age: 39 Posts: 1,401
| on taking pictures and labeling everything. Slow and steady wins the race. You can do it!
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03-30-2008, 6:59 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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I got the throttle body off. All the vacuum lines remained attached. The injector wires are all labeled as are the water hoses. The rear tire is loose. The chain remains. I want to reuse the front sprocket and the hydraulics in the clutch. When I remove the sprocket cover to release the chain and sprocket can I reconnect the hydraulic clutch so I can reuse it too?  This has been quite a learning experience so far. I'm almost 1/2 way there. Still a long way to go. Thanks.
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04-01-2008, 2:09 AM
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| Join Date: Dec 11 2006 Location: seattle Bike(s): turbocharged 02xx Posts: 58
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no black probably means no fuel. what happened to the motor? check that injector. get em all flowed. |
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04-01-2008, 2:11 AM
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| Join Date: Dec 11 2006 Location: seattle Bike(s): turbocharged 02xx Posts: 58
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is that a crack i see on your exhaust valve guide?
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04-01-2008, 2:17 AM
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| ... Get A Good Lawyer ! Join Date: Dec 20 2007 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Bike(s): Honda '07 CBR1100XX Super Blackbird Age: 44 Posts: 1,887
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04-01-2008, 5:15 AM
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 Join Date: Jun 21 2007 Location: Springwood, West of Hell (Sydney), Australia Bike(s): Red '98 'bird gone, not forgotten, Black '07 Bird Age: 41 Posts: 492
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That fist pic of the clean exhaust port.  Although if that is the engine coming out, not so bad.Could be no spark or no fuel causing that. No fuel would be more likely as unburnt fuel/air mix would be ignited in the header & blacken it anyway, (I think)? |
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04-01-2008, 9:48 AM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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The bike had gone from the cold of Massachusetts to the warmth of Florida in a trailer. My bro had picked it up @ the shippers house. He told me the battery was dead and it needed a jump. He was bringing it to his place when it lost all power on the X-way. He trailered it to his house and called me. When I finally got down there I drove it a little while hoping it was just H2O in the tank or something like that. It was running but it had no power. It felt and sounded like it was running on 3 cylinders. Sure than shit the #1 manifold pipe was cold as could be. So we checked the plug and couldn't tell anything. We trailered it to a dealership and they finally told me that the exhaust cam cracked and caused all kinds of damage. The exhaust camshaft cracked, cylinder head and the guides were all junk. They also said it may have been caused by over or under torquing of the camshaft cap. That meant nothing to me then and means less now. I don't understand why that exhaust port isn't all blackened and could that mean that the injectors are part of the problem? I don't want a repeat of the problem. Thanks.
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04-01-2008, 12:59 PM
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| Join Date: Dec 11 2006 Location: seattle Bike(s): turbocharged 02xx Posts: 58
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it only costs 30 bucks or so to have the injectors tested for flow and similarity, so i would make sure i do that. it costs more if you want them cleaned,etc. any injector shop can do it. if they are all close to the same, then the injectors are ruled out. just mark the injector in that cylinder before you hand them to the shop so that if one is bad you'll know if it was the one in that cylinder. if the cam doesn't work right in that cylinder, the exhaust port won't look the same. could be the injector is fine. check that plug wire for signs of arching at both ends, and compare the resistance to one of the other wires. resistance is pretty high, above 5k. that should rule out ignition problems on that hole.
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04-03-2008, 8:20 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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Out with the old in with the new come Sunday. I got everything disconnected. I still gotta drain the oil and disconnect a couple of wires. Pictures will follow. It amazes me that a machine that fast comes apart so easily. At 125MPH I felt like I was on a steel rail and not what it looks like when its all apart.
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04-03-2008, 8:33 PM
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| What cop?? Join Date: Jan 24 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Bike(s): 02 Bird Age: 39 Posts: 1,617
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Sounds like things are going pretty smooth doc . I'll be going for a ride Sunday in the 85deg heat  , let us know how it goes!
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04-04-2008, 9:03 AM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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Its in the 30's with rain here. Snow 50 miles north.  Springtime in N.E. We won't see the 80's for another month. My bike should be back by then. That Florida sunshine was great while it lasted.
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04-07-2008, 7:38 PM
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| Join Date: Jan 24 2008 Location: Massachusetts Bike(s): 2003 CBR1100 2006 VTX1300 Age: 47 Posts: 234
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Here's what I think happened. The exhaust cam cracked in 1/2 in the #1 cylinder. Maybe causing the exhaust camshaft cap crack over the #1 cylinder. Compression is lost. #1 cylinder fires no more. Bike is dead on the X-way. Bike sounds like its running on 3 cylinders because it is. I went to Hooters for wings the 1st nite. It was running very rough and stalling. The next morning after another oil change(the oil looked ****ed up) we tried again. 40 miles later the fat lady started singing. Now the damage. The engine cover is a mess becuz the camshaft banging. The cylinder exhaust opening is clean because its been getting a nice gasoline bath. And the engine is done. I haven't dropped the motor yet I'm waiting for parts. So I think the injectors are O.K. No one around here has a flow tester fo injectors.
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