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09-11-2007, 12:35 AM
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 Join Date: Oct 21 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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| Different types of auto oil filters-just to give a idea
#957890 - 08/11/07 03:55 PM There are more brands out there, but these are all I could find at my local auto parts stores. The OEM Honda (Filtech) and Wix filters were used. The V6607 is from the Valucraft line. The Motorcraft FL2007 says made in Japan, the FL-821 has a second ADBV in the core? The Fram XG7317 has a screen between the core and media. I've tried to state the not so obvious differences evident in the pics. I can't measure filtering effectiveness but at least we can see the general construction quality and similarities. Post Extras: Pablo Site Sponsor Reged: 10/29/02 Posts: 22947 Loc: Pacific NW USA Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #957898 - 08/11/07 04:17 PM Wow. Neato pictures. Lots of work. My Ody takes the same filters...at least the Fram TG has a chunk guard when it goes into BP. I don't follow you on this "FL-821 has a second ADBV"??? -------------------- Pablo Amsoil Post Extras: Throckmorton Group II Member Reged: 12/10/06 Posts: 129 Loc: Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: Pablo] #957904 - 08/11/07 04:24 PM The M1, K&N, AC DElco, and Supertech appear to be identical to me. Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: Pablo] #957918 - 08/11/07 04:37 PM Quote: Wow. Neato pictures. Lots of work. My Ody takes the same filters...at least the Fram TG has a chunk guard when it goes into BP. I don't follow you on this "FL-821 has a second ADBV"??? Hard to see inside the core (note to self... cut it open take more pics) but there is a valve in there that is not a bypass valve. Look inside the Microgard and Bosch filters, you can see the top of the Purolator style bypass valve, which the FL-821 also has but you can't see it because its below what I think is another ADBV... Post Extras: LT4 Vette Group III+ Member Reged: 09/13/04 Posts: 2813 Loc: Coral Springs, FL Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #957922 - 08/11/07 04:41 PM Nice job, the Fram XG 7317 doesn't look to bad, but I think its too expensive for my taste. Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: Throckmorton] #957934 - 08/11/07 04:57 PM Yes except the filter media is darker on M1 and K&N, so it could be different media or is it just a different batch? The M1 and K&N, also have the thickest/strongest enclosures, I have not measured them but they are harder to try and collapse by hand. Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: LT4 Vette] #957937 - 08/11/07 05:04 PM Quote: Nice job, the Fram XG 7317 doesn't look to bad, but I think its too expensive for my taste. I think it's a well built filter and the media is supposed to be synthetic, but I can't find the micron rating for it. Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #958028 - 08/11/07 06:58 PM Quote: Quote: Wow. Neato pictures. Lots of work. My Ody takes the same filters...at least the Fram TG has a chunk guard when it goes into BP. I don't follow you on this "FL-821 has a second ADBV"??? Hard to see inside the core (note to self... cut it open take more pics) but there is a valve in there that is not a bypass valve. Look inside the Microgard and Bosch filters, you can see the top of the Purolator style bypass valve, which the FL-821 also has but you can't see it because its below what I think is another ADBV... After a quick hack job with the wife's Ginsu... uh oh here she comes, gotta put it back! The bottom of the filter with the bypass valve is on the left in both pics, and you can see the other valve in the top half... Post Extras: ThirdeYe Group III Member Reged: 02/23/07 Posts: 2000 Loc: Grand Rapids, MI Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #958203 - 08/11/07 11:55 PM Look at all that media on the Filtech... dang! -------------------- 1995 Acura Integra LS - 131,006 - Amsoil ASL 5w30/Amsoil EaO20 Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: ThirdeYe] #958415 - 08/12/07 10:55 AM Quote: Look at all that media on the Filtech... dang! Yeah, too bad my Honda dealer doesn't have any more... But the visual appearance tells us "nothing" about filtering effectiveness! Since I don't have an oil filter test lab and "truth in advertising" is what it is, my best option is Used Oil Analysis! With that said, I've decided I'm going to FRAM IT! (with an XG7317) Before I SLAM IT! My next couple of UOA's (which I'll post for all to see) will tell the story. I'm coming up on my 18000m OCI, so I'll submit a 3000m and 6000m UOA with the XG7317 and let UOA be my guide... If I don't like the results, I'm thinking the Amsoil EOA13 will get the next shot. Post Extras: Pablo Site Sponsor Reged: 10/29/02 Posts: 22947 Loc: Pacific NW USA Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #958426 - 08/12/07 11:07 AM The V6607 looks tiny, and short media- what stores sell Valuecraft and how much are they? The Wix guts (less the media) should be the same as the EaO. -------------------- Pablo Amsoil Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: Pablo] #958432 - 08/12/07 11:15 AM Quote: The V6607 looks tiny, and short media- what stores sell Valuecraft and how much are they? The Wix guts (less the media) should be the same as the EaO. My local AutoZone sells them alongside the STP brand (which I've not dissected, but looks the exactly same) for about $2.50. Post Extras: LT4 Vette Group III+ Member Reged: 09/13/04 Posts: 2813 Loc: Coral Springs, FL Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #958781 - 08/12/07 08:27 PM If you want to use an 'oversized' oil filter, you might still find the Purolator L-24458 at SEARS. Post Extras: dkryan Group II Member Reged: 04/12/03 Posts: 447 Loc: Cincinnati Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: LT4 Vette] #959795 - 08/13/07 10:19 PM The M1-110 and the K&N look identical! Thanks, jmsbntz! Post Extras: ThirdeYe Group III Member Reged: 02/23/07 Posts: 2000 Loc: Grand Rapids, MI Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #959798 - 08/13/07 10:24 PM Quote: Quote: Look at all that media on the Filtech... dang! Yeah, too bad my Honda dealer doesn't have any more... But the visual appearance tells us "nothing" about filtering effectiveness! Since I don't have an oil filter test lab and "truth in advertising" is what it is, my best option is Used Oil Analysis! With that said, I've decided I'm going to FRAM IT! (with an XG7317) Before I SLAM IT! My next couple of UOA's (which I'll post for all to see) will tell the story. I'm coming up on my 18000m OCI, so I'll submit a 3000m and 6000m UOA with the XG7317 and let UOA be my guide... If I don't like the results, I'm thinking the Amsoil EOA13 will get the next shot. I still have 4 Filtech's left and I have a friend who works for Acura that can get them as well if you're interested in buying any, let me know -------------------- 1995 Acura Integra LS - 131,006 - Amsoil ASL 5w30/Amsoil EaO20 Post Extras: jmsbntz Group I Member Reged: 08/06/07 Posts: 35 Loc: South Texas Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: ThirdeYe] #963564 - 08/18/07 01:46 PM Ok, I found out that the "other" valve in the FL-821 is an anti-siphon valve used primarily in turbo applications. In other news, I've received my EaO13 filters and after sacrificing one, I can report that as Pablo said "The Wix guts (less the media) should be the same as the EaO" and they are including the Wix bypass valve that I prefer. So what's not to like? Well the preferred customer price is twice the Wix price, but I find that acceptable if it filters better and you can use it for twice the mileage. Post Extras: wgtoys Group II Member Reged: 12/12/06 Posts: 476 Loc: California Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: jmsbntz] #963885 - 08/18/07 10:53 PM It bothers me that some manufacturers pay no attention to pleat spacing. Look at most of the Champ lab sourced filters above and you see pleat spacing varying by a factor of three or more to one inside a filter. That looks like sloppy mfg. to me. Look at how even the Filtech is, or even the much maligned Frams. That Fram XG looks like a well constructed unit. The later Purolator picture is also a nice example of even pleats. Does pleat evenness matter? I don't know, but the Japanese principle is that when a company doesn't care about visual quality there is a good chance they don't care about non-visible quality factors as well. Post Extras: leftlane Group II Member Reged: 08/03/07 Posts: 77 Loc: US Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: wgtoys] #964304 - 08/19/07 04:16 PM I saw that someone on another forum said that honda filters are no longer made by filtech but by fram. True or no? Post Extras: leftlane Group II Member Reged: 08/03/07 Posts: 77 Loc: US Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: leftlane] #964314 - 08/19/07 04:38 PM Nevermind I found the answer in another thread: Quote: Please note that not all Honda filters are made by Fram. Some of their better filters are made by Filtech (?), and what I think is their best filter is made by Toyo Roki of Japan. Post Extras: Gary Allan Site Sponsor Reged: 09/29/02 Posts: 15199 Loc: Pottstown, PA Re: Oil filter brand differences, Honda Pilot. [Re: leftlane] #964403 - 08/19/07 06:48 PM Filtech (also the name of other companies - making it hard to find) is Toyo-Roki "Located in Findlay, Ohio, Filtech Inc. was established in 1989 by Toyo Roki Manufacturing Co. LTD. 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