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01blackbirdXX · 02-28-2010, 1:38 PM

1.) I scored a used Exhaust header and muffler off Ebay a couple months ago. Since I have a fuel injected model

I can't re-jet the Bird myself. So, I was wondering if anyone in the Alberta, Canada or even western Canada area knows a place I can go or send my computer to be remapped?

2.) I changed my Cam Chain Tensioner last summer hoping it would rid that horrible sound upon startup forever. Much to my chagrin, it still sounds like ball bearings or a bowling alley when I crank it over first thing in the morning but dissipates soon after it starts and warms up. Any thoughts as to what the issue is?

Thanks!

Scrappy · 02-28-2010, 1:51 PM

1: No Idea

2: Possibly Clutch Basket rattle (happens to all BB's), pull the clutch lever in and then start it, keep the clutch lever in until the revs are above 1k and then let it out

elvetost · 02-28-2010, 2:40 PM

1. Use a power commander and you can adjust the fuelling yourself.(or find a dyno)
2. Prolly as Scrappy said clutch basket rattle. Do the above test..

Good luck!
Chris

lois · 02-28-2010, 2:46 PM

1) power commander (PC III usb) is your only option.

2) one some birds that is normal, and nothing to worry about at all.

Love
Lois

CanadianBird · 02-28-2010, 8:27 PM

As above. I'm sure you can find a dyno shop in Calgary or Edmonton.

shewie · 02-28-2010, 8:29 PM

How old is your oil?

01blackbirdXX · 02-28-2010, 10:33 PM

I've tried pulling in the clutch upon startup to no avail. The noise comes from the bottom to mid right hand side of the engine opposing the clutch. The noise dissipates in about 2-3 seconds and is non existant when the engine is warm. It only happens on cold starts. It almost seems like its the timing chain or the guides it touches being loose causing the rattling type sound. How often do the chain guides wear out? The motor has 35000km on it now... The guy I bought the bike off of was meticulous about his maintanence. He wouldn't let me take the bike home till I had a small training program from him on what I should do maintanence wise. He was 58 and I left his house feeling I'd made a good purchase even though I probably paid more than what the Bird is worth on paper.

The oil is changed twice per year using Motul Motorcycle oil. I can't remember the grade but I think its fully synthetic 15W/40.

Thanks for all the replies!

X1rider · 02-28-2010, 11:08 PM

You can put a billet clutch basket in, but get your pocket book out:

Billet Clutch Baskets / Falicon Crankshaft Components, Inc.

Orient Express - Billet Clutch Basket - Honda - CBR 1100xx Blackbird 1997-2003/CNC Machined/Includes Rebuild

Honda Clutches

Edde · 02-28-2010, 11:41 PM

Above, all good advice. You can now follow down the road most of us have been on for years. Enjoy the journey

01blackbirdXX · 03-01-2010, 12:04 AM

O...M....G!!!! That was a lot more cash than I was expecting for a potential problem dollar wise! I told the wife that I better go get the bike this week from storage if the roads are clear enough to start the tear down. How would I know from looking at the clutch basket if it's pooched? Or is this something I should take to a metals inspector and have magnifluxed for cracks?

thanks

CanadianBird · 03-01-2010, 7:11 AM

I doubt it's necessary to replace the clutch. Why not change to oil to a semi syth and change out the hydraulic fluids. Motul is a good choice. If it's just a rattle on a cold start up, they all do that. If it doesn't occure on a warm start up and you don't hear anything at 3,000 rpm or so, it just a Honda sound. That's some large dosh to get into the clutch. I have 149,000 kms and no clutch issues, just a rattler when cold. I don't see a response from PartsGuy and a few others so just ride her for awhile and get used to the feel and sound of a BlackBird. imo Did the p.o. wring her out at the drag strip?

lois · 03-01-2010, 4:25 PM

Just live with it, and don't be so anal.

However, when pistons start coming thru the block....then you can start askin questions....

Lois

lois · 03-01-2010, 4:27 PM

Ok....that sounded a little dinkish, so here's a little softer, more user friendly version.

Your bike is new, and you are fussing over it to much. yes, it makes some odd noises from time to time, but they are all normal, and just get used to them.

Lois

lois · 03-01-2010, 4:28 PM

ok, that was a little to soft for my liking, so here's a real mean version.

Hey, stop being a retard and just ride the damn thing. If we say it's ok....then it's ok. Just stop being a big dork, and ride.

loser

Love
Lois

>ok, all the bases are covered

01blackbirdXX · 03-01-2010, 4:33 PM

Redneck Red Deerians hit'n the sauce a little early today huh? HA HA!! Ya, I suppose I could be overdoing it but I'm new to this Bird. It's nothing like my previous bikes so just thought I'd ask a few questions for the benefit of doubt.

lois · 03-01-2010, 5:59 PM

dracki · 03-02-2010, 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lois

Lois,have you escaped from that mental institution at Red Deer,Shewie can you call that dog handlers,Lois' has chewed through another leash

VideoMike · 03-02-2010, 1:44 AM

When I start my bike at around 0 degrees C or below I get a strange noise that comes and goes while it's idling and stops once the temp comes up a bit. I'm sure it is not crank or rod bearing related, but, I'm suspicious of the balance shaft bearings being out of adjustment.

Poundstretcher · 03-02-2010, 6:30 AM

They are not designed to tick over, what does it sound like at 10 grand

Wait until you fit the Yoshi you will make a CD of it and listen to it constantly without your helmet on

01blackbirdXX · 03-02-2010, 8:54 PM

good one Poundstrecher, I already have a few of the Blackbird vids loaded on my USB which I play in the truck that tie me over till the snows' gone!

02-28-2010, 1:51 PM	#2
Scrappy Dog With Atittude .. Woof! Join Date: May 31 2009 Location: Mansfield UK Age: 45 Posts: 890	Re: Couple of engine questions? 1: No Idea 2: Possibly Clutch Basket rattle (happens to all BB's), pull the clutch lever in and then start it, keep the clutch lever in until the revs are above 1k and then let it out __________________ If in doubt .. don't do it!

02-28-2010, 2:40 PM	#3
elvetost PAOK FC Join Date: Jul 11 2009 Location: Greece Posts: 1,721	Re: Couple of engine questions? 1. Use a power commander and you can adjust the fuelling yourself.(or find a dyno) 2. Prolly as Scrappy said clutch basket rattle. Do the above test.. Good luck! Chris

02-28-2010, 2:46 PM	#4
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,667	Re: Couple of engine questions? 1) power commander (PC III usb) is your only option. 2) one some birds that is normal, and nothing to worry about at all. Love Lois __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

02-28-2010, 8:27 PM	#5
CanadianBird Join Date: Nov 25 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 4,933	Re: Couple of engine questions? As above. I'm sure you can find a dyno shop in Calgary or Edmonton.

02-28-2010, 8:29 PM	#6
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 7,140	Re: Couple of engine questions? How old is your oil? __________________ If you don't like the way I ride then stay off the sidewalk.

02-28-2010, 10:33 PM	#7
01blackbirdXX Can u fix whuts made2B broken? Join Date: Apr 27 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 79	Re: Couple of engine questions? I've tried pulling in the clutch upon startup to no avail. The noise comes from the bottom to mid right hand side of the engine opposing the clutch. The noise dissipates in about 2-3 seconds and is non existant when the engine is warm. It only happens on cold starts. It almost seems like its the timing chain or the guides it touches being loose causing the rattling type sound. How often do the chain guides wear out? The motor has 35000km on it now... The guy I bought the bike off of was meticulous about his maintanence. He wouldn't let me take the bike home till I had a small training program from him on what I should do maintanence wise. He was 58 and I left his house feeling I'd made a good purchase even though I probably paid more than what the Bird is worth on paper. The oil is changed twice per year using Motul Motorcycle oil. I can't remember the grade but I think its fully synthetic 15W/40. Thanks for all the replies!

02-28-2010, 11:08 PM	#8
X1rider The Air Razor Join Date: Nov 24 2006 Location: Metro Atlanta GA. Age: 53 Posts: 2,273	Re: Couple of engine questions? You can put a billet clutch basket in, but get your pocket book out: Billet Clutch Baskets / Falicon Crankshaft Components, Inc. Orient Express - Billet Clutch Basket - Honda - CBR 1100xx Blackbird 1997-2003/CNC Machined/Includes Rebuild Honda Clutches __________________ Will Rogers - 'I never met a man I didn't like.' Red Green - 'I never liked a man I hadn't met.' Old Man Sedgwick - 'I never liked the Mets.'

02-28-2010, 11:41 PM	#9
Edde Join Date: Dec 07 2006 Location: Payson, Arizona Posts: 589	Re: Couple of engine questions? Above, all good advice. You can now follow down the road most of us have been on for years. Enjoy the journey

03-01-2010, 12:04 AM	#10
01blackbirdXX Can u fix whuts made2B broken? Join Date: Apr 27 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 79	Re: Couple of engine questions? O...M....G!!!! That was a lot more cash than I was expecting for a potential problem dollar wise! I told the wife that I better go get the bike this week from storage if the roads are clear enough to start the tear down. How would I know from looking at the clutch basket if it's pooched? Or is this something I should take to a metals inspector and have magnifluxed for cracks? thanks

03-01-2010, 7:11 AM	#11
CanadianBird Join Date: Nov 25 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 4,933	Re: Couple of engine questions? I doubt it's necessary to replace the clutch. Why not change to oil to a semi syth and change out the hydraulic fluids. Motul is a good choice. If it's just a rattle on a cold start up, they all do that. If it doesn't occure on a warm start up and you don't hear anything at 3,000 rpm or so, it just a Honda sound. That's some large dosh to get into the clutch. I have 149,000 kms and no clutch issues, just a rattler when cold. I don't see a response from PartsGuy and a few others so just ride her for awhile and get used to the feel and sound of a BlackBird. imo Did the p.o. wring her out at the drag strip?

03-01-2010, 4:25 PM	#12
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,667	Re: Couple of engine questions? Just live with it, and don't be so anal. However, when pistons start coming thru the block....then you can start askin questions.... Lois __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

03-01-2010, 4:27 PM	#13
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,667	Re: Couple of engine questions? Ok....that sounded a little dinkish, so here's a little softer, more user friendly version. Your bike is new, and you are fussing over it to much. yes, it makes some odd noises from time to time, but they are all normal, and just get used to them. Lois __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

03-01-2010, 4:28 PM	#14
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,667	Re: Couple of engine questions? ok, that was a little to soft for my liking, so here's a real mean version. Hey, stop being a retard and just ride the damn thing. If we say it's ok....then it's ok. Just stop being a big dork, and ride. loser Love Lois >ok, all the bases are covered __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

03-01-2010, 4:33 PM	#15
01blackbirdXX Can u fix whuts made2B broken? Join Date: Apr 27 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 79	Re: Couple of engine questions? Redneck Red Deerians hit'n the sauce a little early today huh? HA HA!! Ya, I suppose I could be overdoing it but I'm new to this Bird. It's nothing like my previous bikes so just thought I'd ask a few questions for the benefit of doubt. __________________ 2001 Honda Blackbird, Blue (fast) in color, clear front turn signals, K/N air filter for ease of maintanence, automatic chain oiler, lowered foot pegs, cruise control, Givi center hard bag. 4 into one exhaust, Yoshi muffler and Turbo City fuel Regulator

03-01-2010, 5:59 PM	#16
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,667	Re: Couple of engine questions? __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

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01blackbirdXX Can u fix whuts made2B broken? Join Date: Apr 27 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 79	Re: Couple of engine questions? good one Poundstrecher, I already have a few of the Blackbird vids loaded on my USB which I play in the truck that tie me over till the snows' gone! __________________ 2001 Honda Blackbird, Blue (fast) in color, clear front turn signals, K/N air filter for ease of maintanence, automatic chain oiler, lowered foot pegs, cruise control, Givi center hard bag. 4 into one exhaust, Yoshi muffler and Turbo City fuel Regulator