honda "pulses per wheel revolution"

beestoys · 06-22-2009, 12:08 AM

Anyone know the PPM for the birds?

lois · 06-22-2009, 12:19 AM

Wouldn't that actually be more like the RPM of the primary ...... "x" revolutions = 1 mph?

Good question though....someone on here will know the answer, as I don't.

Lois

beestoys · 06-22-2009, 12:29 AM

They list it as pulse per mile for the speedo's lois. They tend to be generic but i am wanting to be sure.

thechamp55 · 06-22-2009, 1:57 AM

what are you trying to do, make custom gauges or something?

shewie · 06-22-2009, 8:59 AM

Still working on the cruise control? I think zwhits9 mentioned in his cruise control post that the pulse rate was extremely high (80k) as posted on "the other" site.

Nutter67 · 06-22-2009, 8:50 PM

When I fitted my pro-oiler, I calculated it to be 72.5 pulses per wheel revolution. How many pulses per mile would be a pretty big figure.

beestoys · 06-22-2009, 9:52 PM

Hooking up an electronic cruise control and need the PPM for the system. If it's 80K then i am going to have to make a divider or hook up a seperate trigger. My system will only process up to 36K.
do you have the name or link to the other site handy, and thanks nutter that was my net check i can calculate from their based on tire roll out.

shewie · 06-22-2009, 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by beestoys

do you have the name or link to the other site handy,

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zwhits9 · 06-22-2009, 10:30 PM

I installed an audiovox cruise on mine and I used the tach instead of the speedo. In the process of getting mine working I was old that honda is stubbern and uses a 80,000 pulse per mile sensor. While the rest of the known world is between 3000-8000.

So yes, 36K isn't going to cut it. Can you just use the tach signal instead? As you're locked in gear (it's a manual transmission)? Anyway good luck. Cruise is a must have. Throttle locks are a joke.

beestoys · 06-22-2009, 10:57 PM

That is a good possibility I sent a message off to the company for a input from them as well. I am thinking that the unit is looking for a certain PPM if so then that may well be my next option.

I am also checking the connections for my switch now as per my comment on your thread. If they are the same and i am pretty sure they are then you will have a cleaner way to trigger your unit. My setup works with the troubleshooting guide they supply so i am 99 % sure its the pulse rate that is my issue.

beestoys · 06-23-2009, 1:02 AM

Ok took a look and it uses the same color codes as mine. What I did was pull a switch from a Goldwing 1500. You will have to switch wires, and cut and remove some extras which were used for remote lighting. I will detail the whole install when I am up 100% and running as I used a fully electronic unit with a stepper motor.
In the meantime here are the pics of the control installed. When you get one make sure it has the wire harness intact. You will be using the existing places in the birds connector and replacing the wires from your old control switch. They are pretty much a color for color swap.
Here are the pics
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4995/blackbird.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/853/blackbird1.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3949/blackbird2.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6108/blackbird3.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8573/blackbird4.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6441/blackbird5.jpg

shewie · 06-23-2009, 10:41 AM

I must be doing something wrong as I am unable to enlarge those pics to anything viewable. Help?

beestoys · 06-23-2009, 10:31 PM

Probably the way they loaded I'll try again

shewie · 06-23-2009, 10:36 PM

Okay. Can you tell I'm interested in this?

beestoys · 06-23-2009, 10:42 PM

Just a bit Shewie but you told me so on the other post.
LOL I will get the color codes for you all in the next few days and the rest of the right up done as soon as I make sure it works good. In the meantime I would look for the switch assembly as I know it will work on the audiovox system.

shewie · 06-23-2009, 10:59 PM

Did you get your pulsing issues sorted? Are you able to use the tach circuit instead? In the end, it shouldn't matter to the outcome.

beestoys · 06-23-2009, 11:45 PM

Still researching.
I checked the other boards threads and everyone so far has been installing the Vacum canister version and used the tach input. So I will keep looking for the answer. If push comes to shove I'll use the tach input in place of the VSS signal on the VSS line Should work the same.
Got a number from Rostra and I'll bend thier techs ear for a bit too. I am figuring if the VSS is 80K then the unit can't process that number. So I may have to try different rate numbers I have 16 different combo's i can try. Or i may just build a divider circuit and knock the 80K down to 8K we'll see what is easiest and reliable. If i go the divider route i'll keep it simple for us or maybe build it in mass. Now to try and get the pics fixed

beestoys · 06-23-2009, 11:56 PM

Ok pics fixed

beestoys · 06-24-2009, 11:36 PM

Ok
Talked with rostra and they make a divider network for high PPM units. I will check the cost I am thinking it is about 25 bucks but we will see tommorrow and let you know. This should work for the Audiovox vacuum units as well for VSS input.

shewie · 06-25-2009, 8:51 PM

06-22-2009, 12:19 AM	#2
lois Join Date: Nov 06 2006 Location: Red Deer Age: 47 Posts: 4,689	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Wouldn't that actually be more like the RPM of the primary ...... "x" revolutions = 1 mph? Good question though....someone on here will know the answer, as I don't. Lois __________________ Call me "Captain Mudbucket".

06-22-2009, 12:29 AM	#3
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate They list it as pulse per mile for the speedo's lois. They tend to be generic but i am wanting to be sure.

06-22-2009, 1:57 AM	#4
thechamp55 Join Date: Mar 19 2009 Location: Texas Age: 21 Posts: 555	Re: Speedometer pulse rate what are you trying to do, make custom gauges or something? __________________ Everyone Dies. Not Everyone Lives.

06-22-2009, 8:59 AM	#5
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 7,423	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Still working on the cruise control? I think zwhits9 mentioned in his cruise control post that the pulse rate was extremely high (80k) as posted on "the other" site. __________________ Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?!

06-22-2009, 8:50 PM	#6
Nutter67 Administrator Join Date: Aug 31 2007 Location: Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 43 Posts: 6,123	Re: Speedometer pulse rate When I fitted my pro-oiler, I calculated it to be 72.5 pulses per wheel revolution. How many pulses per mile would be a pretty big figure. __________________ *Paul* *Never let a motorcycle take you somewhere your brain didn't get to three seconds earlier*

06-22-2009, 9:52 PM	#7
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Hooking up an electronic cruise control and need the PPM for the system. If it's 80K then i am going to have to make a divider or hook up a seperate trigger. My system will only process up to 36K. do you have the name or link to the other site handy, and thanks nutter that was my net check i can calculate from their based on tire roll out.

06-22-2009, 10:30 PM	#9
zwhits9 Join Date: Mar 13 2009 Location: Nebraska Posts: 55	Re: Speedometer pulse rate I installed an audiovox cruise on mine and I used the tach instead of the speedo. In the process of getting mine working I was old that honda is stubbern and uses a 80,000 pulse per mile sensor. While the rest of the known world is between 3000-8000. So yes, 36K isn't going to cut it. Can you just use the tach signal instead? As you're locked in gear (it's a manual transmission)? Anyway good luck. Cruise is a must have. Throttle locks are a joke.

06-22-2009, 10:57 PM	#10
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate That is a good possibility I sent a message off to the company for a input from them as well. I am thinking that the unit is looking for a certain PPM if so then that may well be my next option. I am also checking the connections for my switch now as per my comment on your thread. If they are the same and i am pretty sure they are then you will have a cleaner way to trigger your unit. My setup works with the troubleshooting guide they supply so i am 99 % sure its the pulse rate that is my issue.

06-23-2009, 1:02 AM	#11
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Ok took a look and it uses the same color codes as mine. What I did was pull a switch from a Goldwing 1500. You will have to switch wires, and cut and remove some extras which were used for remote lighting. I will detail the whole install when I am up 100% and running as I used a fully electronic unit with a stepper motor. In the meantime here are the pics of the control installed. When you get one make sure it has the wire harness intact. You will be using the existing places in the birds connector and replacing the wires from your old control switch. They are pretty much a color for color swap. Here are the pics http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4995/blackbird.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/853/blackbird1.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3949/blackbird2.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6108/blackbird3.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8573/blackbird4.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6441/blackbird5.jpg Last edited by beestoys; 06-23-2009 at 11:56 PM.

06-23-2009, 10:41 AM	#12
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 7,423	Re: Speedometer pulse rate I must be doing something wrong as I am unable to enlarge those pics to anything viewable. Help? __________________ Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?!

06-23-2009, 10:31 PM	#13
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Probably the way they loaded I'll try again

06-23-2009, 10:36 PM	#14
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 7,423	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Okay. Can you tell I'm interested in this? __________________ Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?!

06-23-2009, 10:42 PM	#15
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Just a bit Shewie but you told me so on the other post. LOL I will get the color codes for you all in the next few days and the rest of the right up done as soon as I make sure it works good. In the meantime I would look for the switch assembly as I know it will work on the audiovox system.

06-23-2009, 10:59 PM	#16
shewie Resident Eh?hole. Join Date: Oct 26 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 7,423	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Did you get your pulsing issues sorted? Are you able to use the tach circuit instead? In the end, it shouldn't matter to the outcome. __________________ Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?!

06-23-2009, 11:45 PM	#17
beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Still researching. I checked the other boards threads and everyone so far has been installing the Vacum canister version and used the tach input. So I will keep looking for the answer. If push comes to shove I'll use the tach input in place of the VSS signal on the VSS line Should work the same. Got a number from Rostra and I'll bend thier techs ear for a bit too. I am figuring if the VSS is 80K then the unit can't process that number. So I may have to try different rate numbers I have 16 different combo's i can try. Or i may just build a divider circuit and knock the 80K down to 8K we'll see what is easiest and reliable. If i go the divider route i'll keep it simple for us or maybe build it in mass. Now to try and get the pics fixed

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beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Ok pics fixed

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beestoys Join Date: Sep 24 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 446	Re: Speedometer pulse rate Ok Talked with rostra and they make a divider network for high PPM units. I will check the cost I am thinking it is about 25 bucks but we will see tommorrow and let you know. This should work for the Audiovox vacuum units as well for VSS input.

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