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    Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Just changed out the radiator and bike running sweet now but did notice just recently when i put the key in the ignition and turn it on no lights come on at all! Has anyone seen this and if so can you tell me if taking out the barrel is a big job and maybe roughly how to do it.im suspecting a bad connection" i hope" because of taking off the fairings maybe some loose connection or if the barrel is on the way out.any help would be great.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Not something I have ever had to deal with but I believe the switch part with the wires comes off the back of the barrel. I believe a few folks on here have dealt with ignitions switch issues in that manner.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    I only have the two attachments to offer up related to the ignition barrel. Maybe they will lead you to a solution. If your messing with the radiator most likely you in advertently touched the wireing in the ignition area and the connection might have been bumped loose or something. Interesting that the bike runs,...but no lights. The fuses and such are all good still? I've never messed with my ignition, but have a spare one (switch/keys and locks all around ) in the spares box for the day when. As you are in the U.K. it may also be a weather related issue brought on by some corrosion perhaps? How bout some contact cleaner/lube sprayed into the barrel? I do lube mine up to keep the action smooth as it does get sort of snaggy now and then. Over 100K on my clock with the original ignition barrel btw.

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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    I suggest you look first at the connections you may have disturbed, as Tigre said, rather than look for an entirely new problem that somehow just occurred as the bike was having something else worked on.

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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Yes, taking out the barrel can be a real pain in the a**. I had to do it on a restoration project recently and it usually requires drilling and easy out tools. Not a fun job.
    I agree you should look elsewhere. Highly unlikely the problem is in the barrel as it is sealed pretty tightly. Like iXXion and Tigre said, you probably disturbed a connection somewhere or blew a fuse.

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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    I think Duck mentioned in a post somewhere that the wires where they attach to the barrel sometimes corrode or similar.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Quote Originally Posted by adeyren View Post
    I think Duck mentioned in a post somewhere that the wires where they attach to the barrel sometimes corrode or similar.
    Yeah, and I agree there is that possibility. Didn't intend to undermine Ducks suggestion as I revere his knowledge as much as anyone on this forum. I only meant to check the areas he would have been in contact with while working on the radiator first as the removal of the main ignition barrel can be a pretty tedious undertaking if it has breakaway bolts like many of the bikes I have worked on.

    Edit: Well I just went out and checked my Blackbird and surprised to find it has hex bolts and not the breakaway bolts I expected. And seeings how I've had my bird from 5K miles I am assuming it was not replaced. So, guess taking the barrel off should be no issue. Would like to know if fuses were checked as that is first place I'd look.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Taking the whole assembly off will allow you access to the bottom of the switch. You'll need a security torx bit to remove the switch block. Once its clear you'll see the contact assembly. I have used CLP cleaner form my gun cleaning kit and a tooth brush and it works perfect. with the key installed you can remove the tumbler assembly as well. Be careful not to disturb or drop the key pins. you can also clean these and the lock barrel as well to help it turn easier. If you do drop the key pins out then all that you need to do is reinstall them in the slots. What you will be looking for is all the the tabs to be flush with the barrel with the key inserted. Swap any high and low ones with each other until everything is flush then slide it back in the barrel.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Quote Originally Posted by adeyren View Post
    I think Duck mentioned in a post somewhere that the wires where they attach to the barrel sometimes corrode or similar.
    Yes in our climate the wires can sometimes corrode and provide an intermittent 'contact' and a wire can also be pulled off, this is usually caused by over zealous owners zip tying the loom down to keep things tidy and the wires being pulled when you go for full lock.
    A mirror on a stick allows you to have a 'look round' but there is a plastic cover over the contacts which means you have to take the top yoke off to gain access and as beestoys has mentioned this is held on with security torex. I to replace the contact set on 'Daily Bird' (100K miles) when I had intermittent ignition, a wiggle of the key usually got things going ...... there was 17 years of corrosion, wear and muck inside (I did post some photos but my current internet access in France won't let me search them out).

    Like the others I think the problem probably lies elsewhere and it is worth looking at more obvious contacts first (is there any voltage going to the lights?)

    FYI you don't have to remove the barrel from the yoke to work on the contacts but it is much easier.
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    Great info as usual guys.cheers.put the key in after spraying it with WD40 and turning it a few times and now seems to be ok but probably will have to check the contacts alright to be sure as dont want that happening on my european trip and get bloody stranded!
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuck View Post
    Yes in our climate the wires can sometimes corrode and provide an intermittent 'contact' and a wire can also be pulled off, this is usually caused by over zealous owners zip tying the loom down to keep things tidy and the wires being pulled when you go for full lock.
    A mirror on a stick allows you to have a 'look round' but there is a plastic cover over the contacts which means you have to take the top yoke off to gain access and as beestoys has mentioned this is held on with security torex. I to replace the contact set on 'Daily Bird' (100K miles) when I had intermittent ignition, a wiggle of the key usually got things going ...... there was 17 years of corrosion, wear and muck inside (I did post some photos but my current internet access in France won't let me search them out).

    Like the others I think the problem probably lies elsewhere and it is worth looking at more obvious contacts first (is there any voltage going to the lights?)

    FYI you don't have to remove the barrel from the yoke to work on the contacts but it is much easier.
    Sounds like my issues. Put key in and I get intermittent or no dash lights - wiggle key a bit all good and bike starts and runs fine.
    If you find that post Duck that will help me also - I had a quick look for it and no luck. Cheers for advice ahead of time.

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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    WD-40 was causing gritty gum ups with my ignition over time, so my husband had me switch over to a dry base/graphite product. It took a while last season for things to start freeing up.

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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Quote Originally Posted by PJM View Post
    Sounds like my issues. Put key in and I get intermittent or no dash lights - wiggle key a bit all good and bike starts and runs fine.
    If you find that post Duck that will help me also - I had a quick look for it and no luck. Cheers for advice ahead of time.
    I'm back home now so rather than search for an old post, here is what I found
    IMG_1318.JPG

    As you can see there is a fair amount of corrosion on the base contacts so no surprise that electrical contact was proving difficult! There is also some wear present but not surprising with amount of use the contacts had been subjected to. A new contact set cleared the problem instantly but with a bit of cleaning I managed to recover the old set to a condition that they are worthy of a place in my spares box.

    Quote Originally Posted by GinaMcD
    WD-40 was causing gritty gum ups with my ignition over time, so my husband had me switch over to a dry base/graphite product.
    good advice from your husband there Gina when it comes to locks WD40 is the spawn of the devil .... short term fix long term problems .... dry graphite is the way to go.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuck View Post
    I'm back home now so rather than search for an old post, here is what I found
    IMG_1318.JPG

    As you can see there is a fair amount of corrosion on the base contacts so no surprise that electrical contact was proving difficult! There is also some wear present but not surprising with amount of use the contacts had been subjected to. A new contact set cleared the problem instantly but with a bit of cleaning I managed to recover the old set to a condition that they are worthy of a place in my spares box.

    good advice from your husband there Gina when it comes to locks WD40 is the spawn of the devil .... short term fix long term problems .... dry graphite is the way to go.

    Definitely, but don't do as I did and squirt too much graphite powder in the ignition lock for example, the build up meant the key wouldn't fully engage so I had to pick some out. My fault and lesson learned, if used with any modicum of sense it turns gnarly/dry locks into lovely smooth things. Sorted my fuel cap lock out too, the key now pops back around once the fuel cap is pressed shut.
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    Re: Ignition barrel problems lurking

    Thanks ziplex and Duck. That's one lubricant i dont have! My locks are getting sticky. Good old Amazon Prime, it'll be here tmw.


 
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